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Matt Rosenberg

The Capital of Israel

By January 17, 2009

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Stuart wrote, "Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel, not Jerusalem. My son wanted a webpage that listed national capitals and quite a number make this same mistake. No country's embassy is in Jerusalem. Israel illegally declared its capital as Jerusalem and this is not implicitly recognized as its capital by any other country in the world." I responded that despite what other countries in the world or the United Nations do or even what is legal, the executive, judicial, and legislative headquarters of Israel are all in Jerusalem so Jerusalem is indeed the de facto capital of the state of Israel. It's my belief that other entities can not impose a capital city on an individual country. What do you think?


January 18, 2009 at 1:43 am
(1) Don Hirschberg says:

I lived in Jordan while I started up an oil refinery unit in Amman about 50 years ago. At that time part of Jerusalen was in Israel and part (the biblical and touristy part) was in Jordan. I couldn’t go into the Israeli part because Jordan would not then readmit me with Israeli stamps in my passport. I was confused then. I am still confused.

January 18, 2009 at 10:37 am
(2) Bill says:

You’re asking the wrong question. The question is not can Israel, the question is should Israel.

I don’t believe that Israel would declare Jerusalem as its capital if it did not occupy East Jerusalem and the surrounding territory of the West Bank as a buffer. Since occupied territory cannot be annexed by an occupying power, according to the Geneva Convention, East Jerusalem does not belong to Israel.

Declaring Jerusalem the capital does nothing to promote peace in the region. Israel’s creation of “facts on the ground” another example of Israel’s arbitrary and a one-sided view of the region.

August 20, 2011 at 7:48 am
(3) israeli says:

Historically, the Western Wall is located in East Jerusalem had belonged to Jews and existed before Islam built “facts on the ground” the mosque Alktza

August 29, 2011 at 7:26 pm
(4) sheiliah says:

umm but my question is do you think foreign countries choose to ignore israels decision to transfer their capital from Tel Aviv to Jerusalum do you no why they would cause what your saying i dont understand

September 30, 2011 at 8:53 am
(5) D says:

Israel declared Jerusalem as its capital many years before the Six Day War in 1967 brought the eastern part of the city under its control. So the above commentor would seem to be unaware of history.

January 18, 2009 at 1:26 pm
(6) Samm says:

When I worked in Saudi Arabia in the late 70′s a system was in place for visiting Israel without our passports being stamped so we could return to our Saudi homes. Just a part of life.

Jerusalem is divided in so many ways; isn’t there some way to make an ‘international city’?

January 18, 2009 at 1:32 pm
(7) Catholicgauze says:

There are a few countries who do recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israeli, as declared in 1948. Coast Rica still officially does but moved its embassy to a suburb while El Salvador use to until the conservative Palestinian Catholic Tony Saca ordered it moved. The U.S. Senate passed and Bill Clinton signed (Bush later supported) an act to move the embassy to Jerusalem but no one in the State Department actually wants to do it.

De Facto the capital is Jerusalem because that’s where the government meets. What other countries say does matter somewhat because of international relations. In the end one must ask the question what exactly a capital is. Only then can one answer the question in the context of Israel whether they like the answer or not.

January 18, 2009 at 3:22 pm
(8) Stuart says:

I was shocked by Matt’s rude reply to my enquiry. Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel and I fail to understand why an American should get so personal about it.

November 23, 2011 at 6:29 pm
(9) Bryce says:

i agree with you. Jerusalem was actually never capital of Israel its always been Tel Aviv

January 18, 2009 at 4:04 pm
(10) Matt Rosenberg says:

My nationality doesn’t matter. I would be just as upset if someone said that Sydney is the capital of Australia because embassies are located there and not in Canberra.

January 18, 2009 at 6:02 pm
(11) Bill says:

lighten up, Stuart

January 18, 2009 at 11:36 pm
(12) Blake says:

Matt’s “rude comment”? You must be kidding. It was a totally gracious answer and wholly objective. And he did not insist on his own judgment–he even asked others to chime in and offer their opinions.

January 18, 2009 at 11:54 pm
(13) John says:

It never ceases to amaze me how much emotion the city of Jerusalem generates. People have shed tears and blood in bucket loads and still the conflict goes on. And I dare say there is more to some. I understand Stuart’s reaction, although I thought Matt was strong rather than rude.

January 18, 2009 at 11:59 pm
(14) Aussie Bloke says:

All countries have the right to name their own capital city. Matt is absolutely correct. It is no one elses business which city is named by a country. I for one would be most insulted if someone overseas tried to tell me that Sydney was the capital of Australia rather than Canberra.

January 19, 2009 at 12:09 am
(15) Jay says:

But the embassies are in Canberra aren’t they ? So, Australia is not an analagous situation.

January 19, 2009 at 12:10 am
(16) Sami Alamuddin says:

Tel Aviv is he temporary Capital of “Occupied Palestine”.

Jerusalem will return in time to be the Capital of Palestine after the jews agree to live in peace with the Arabs.

April 28, 2011 at 12:45 pm
(17) Guy says:

um. no its israel. and jerusalem is its capital. as for jews living in peace, belive me its all they are trying to do. but arams throw rockets and blow bombs to get ‘their precious land’ back. (which the yare turning into rubble)

May 17, 2011 at 4:32 pm
(18) sam says:

Cant even spell

May 23, 2011 at 3:42 pm
(19) Bruce says:

The state of Israel was created by the UN. Tel Aviv was the capital when Israel was created. When Israel declared that Jerusalem was the capital, the UN passed a resolution to the contrary. Israel moved the government to Jerusalem, but other countries left their embassies in Tel Aviv. It’s yet another petty standoff between the right-wing Israeli governments and the rest of the world.
For our part, our official sites state Jerusalem, but the US state department has our embassy in Tel Aviv and has no intention to move it.

April 28, 2011 at 12:45 pm
(20) Guy says:

um. no its israel. and jerusalem is its capital. as for jews living in peace, belive me its all they are trying to do. but arams throw rockets and blow bombs to get ‘their precious land’ back. (which the yare turning into rubble)

January 19, 2009 at 12:56 am
(21) George Gauthier says:

Whatever anyone else says, Jerusalem is Israel’s capital. It is the city from which they are governed. It does not matter if some countries argue that it should not be the capital. It is.
As for the argument against annexing occupied lands. Most countries of the world would not have any claim to the lands or their capitals if that rule had prevailed. How did Saudi Arabia get so big except by conquest. Jordan annexed the West Bank after the first war with Israel.

January 19, 2009 at 2:26 am
(22) Israel "izzy" Cohen says:

There is a psycholinguistic aspect to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that makes it more intractable than similar conflicts.

Obviously, Israel and Palestine are different names for what is essentially the same general geographic area. What is not obvious is that this area represented the male member on a Phoenician anthropomorphic map of west Asia.

Anthropomorphic Maps

Anthropomorphic maps were generated by configuring the body of a god or goddess over the area to be mapped. The name of each part of that body became the name of the area under that part. This produced a scale 1:1
map-without-paper on which each place name automatically indicated its approximate location and direction with respect to every other place on the same map whose name was produced in this way.


The body-part map of Hermes stretches from the Ukraine to Yemen. kHermes [kHoR = hole + MoSnaim = waist] lived at Mt kHermon before he moved Mt Olympus (Greek omphalos = navel). Later his name was reversed to become Latin Mercury. Compare Amerigo Vespucci and America.

His head [Ro@SH] was at Roxolania/Rus, south of Belarus. Its name changed to the Ukraine (Gk kranion = cranium, not Slavic u kraina = to/at the border). His throat [GaRGeret] is Georgia. His left shoulder [KaSaF] is the Caspian sea. His right shoulder [@aTZiL] was Euxinus, now the Black Sea. His right arm/hand is being washed [NaTiLat] at Anatolia. His upper arm (Sanskrit irma) at Armenia, biceps (Greek pontiki = muscle) at Pontus, elbow [KiFooF yaD] at Cappadocia, wrist [m'FaReK] at Phrygia, and thumb [BoHeN] at Bithynia were in Anatolia. His heart (Greek cardia) became Kurdistan. His narrow [TZaR] waist is Syria and his navel (Sanskrit nabhila) reverses to LeBaNon.

His buttocks [YeReKH] is Iraq. His left thigh [shin-vav-kuf] sounded like TvK and reversed to Kuwait. His left knee [BeReKH] is partially reversed in Bahrain. His right [Y'MiN] foot is at Yemen.

South of his navel at Lebanon was his male member (Greek phallus) named Philistia and later called Palestina by the Romans.

The Canaanites used this body-part technique on a smaller scale. They envisioned a female body on which Ashdod was her breast (SHaD], Ashkelon was her abdomen heavy [SHaKeL] with child, and Gaza was a reversal of ZooG = couple (the area involved in copulation).

[CaNa3aN] was the Latin cunnus (and a reversal of Greek gyneco-) on the map of Aphrodite (Afro-deity) in north Africa. Its name changed to [YiSRa@eL] when [Ya3aKoV] / Jacob “fought with god and men” [Gen 32:29]. This represented a change in sovereignty from Africa to Asia minor.

[YiSRa@eL] is that body part that gives [@oSHeR] = delight to [@eL] = god when it is [YaSHaR] = straight, upright. Changing Jacob’s name from [Ya3aKoV] = “ankle; curved, bent” to [YiSRa@eL] = “straight, upright + god” represents an interesting physiological process.

In essence, fear of losing this area causes a subliminal castration anxiety. On the other hand, acknowledging the onomastic history of the area indicates that all of the names for the area existed before the names of the populations who claim the area.

January 19, 2009 at 3:31 am
(23) DB says:

I absolutely agree with Matt. Israel can place its capital anywhere they want in their country (which Tel Aviv is clearly part of Israel as it is under Israel’s control no matter how it was obtained etc).

January 19, 2009 at 3:34 am
(24) DB says:

No offense, but I don’t think in any of our lifetimes that we will see Jerusalem ever returned to Palestine or any other nation.

January 19, 2009 at 5:17 am
(25) Iain Frew says:

Tel Aviv is properly the capital of Israel but the Israelis wanted to have Jerusalem as its capital because that is where the one-time Temple, and its remnant the Western Wall (“Wailing Wall”)the holiest place to the Jewish people lies. They have built the Parliament building in the city so that it is effectively the capital. If the city were divided into Jewish and Palestinian halves the Western Wall would be well within the Palestinian part. The only sensible solution is to have the sections of religious significance as a proper international place not owned by any one of the faith communities. Israel could then have the rest as a properly recognised capital.

January 19, 2009 at 7:46 am
(26) Sue says:

Wow. This discussion certainly generates a great deal of anger. Sami, the truth is that, if we want to be historical, Jewish people have always lived in that land, from time before the birth of both Christianity and Islam. The United Nations established the Jewish State of Israel following World War II. It is the Arabs who do not want to coexisit, whose actual teachings say Israel should be gone. The Hamas Charter has always stated “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it”
When Palestinians held the city of Jerusalem, no other religions except Muslims (and that included Christians wanting to visit historical sites) were permitted to enter the city. Jewish leaders have always allowed all faiths to visit their holy places within the walls.

January 19, 2009 at 9:59 am
(27) Bill says:

So if I understand you correctly, Sue, you’re saying Jerusalem should be Israeli because they are “better”.

Its that kind of essentialist thinking that keeps the conflict moving and the blood to keep flowing.

May 24, 2011 at 12:39 pm
(28) Steve says:

Wow, so Jeruselum should be given back to the “palestinians” and Israel should probably just roll over and die for everyones conveniance. Right?

January 19, 2009 at 10:15 am
(29) Edward says:

There is a further aspect of history which should not be overlooked. I view the formation of the state of Israel as legal (as established by the UN) but not moral. It’s establishment caused thousand of Palestinians to become refugees in their own land. Some of those refugees and their descendants now live in Gaza and under these circumstances it is understandable why they might not recognise Israel.

I would acknowledge that Jews have long lived in the area but were in fact a minority at the time of Israel’s formation. Jewish migration to the area should not have occured without the full consent of Palestinians at that time.

Also the state of Israel is an essentially ethnic state where the rights of Jews are placed above others (something like South Africa under apartheid). Israel as it stands is not a society that will provide full political representation to all sections of society. If it were, it could even establish a one state solution with Palestians in a single government and proportional representation. That isn’t going to happen whilst it considers itself a state for Jews only.

See recent comments made in the UK parliament by Jewish MP Gerrald Kauffman comparing the present actions of the Israeli government to the actions of nazis against Jews in the second world war:

January 19, 2009 at 12:10 pm
(30) Ronald says:

Is naming a capital not more like a constitutional thing? Something a country decides for itself? For one, in The Netherlands, Amsterdam is the official capital (no one would tell you differently). But the government, including the Parliament, are in The Hague…!

January 19, 2009 at 1:49 pm
(31) Paul says:

What an organization does within itself is logically solely its own business. If Isral wants Jerusalem as its capital, that’s the final word. Logic settles the question of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital city, unless, of course, we apply USA laws in which ‘what should be’ (political correctness) forces private organizations to do things, within the bounds of the organization, that they don’t want to do …

January 19, 2009 at 2:39 pm
(32) Barry Flanagan says:

Because Israel illegally occupies a portion of Jerusalem – and unilaterally extended the borders of that city deep into the West Bank, the nations of the world are reluctant to reward Israel for aggressive behavior. If and when Israel comes to its senses, West Jerusalem will be the capital of Israel, and East Jerusalem will be the capital of Palestine. And the nations of the world will recognize them both.

January 19, 2009 at 3:06 pm
(33) Barry Flanagan says:

Sue – No, Jews have not always lived in that land. Whether Jews migrated from elsewhere or emerged from the existing Canaanite population, it is safe to say the land was inhabited before the Hebrews lived there, and non-Jews remained when most Jews left, and non-Jews were still there when the Zionists arrived from Europe. It is likely that at no time in its history was there a Jewish majority in the region – that is, until the Zionists violently expelled the indigenous population (’47-49). (And now that they’ve got them caged in Gaza, they continue to wreak havoc upon them.)

The UN did not establish the state of Israel – the UN General Assembly recommended same IF both sides agreed. The Palestinians rightfully rejected it as an imposition which made the recommendation a legally moot point. (US changed its position as well.) The Zionists then expelled the Palestinians and overran the entire country except for land it agreed to split with Jordan (and Egypt). Israel has continued its expulsion of Palestinians to this day – and overran the rest of Palestine in ’67 (and other Arab lands as well.) Israel’s behavior meets the UN definition of genocide as it is determined to terminate Palestinians as a national group, and any survivors will be dispersed among nations as miscellaneous Arabs. Thus Sue, it is not Hamas that is the threat to humanity but Labor and Likud and Kadima.

January 19, 2009 at 4:59 pm
(34) Raedwulf says:

Of course Israel has the right to designate its own capital.I also think that every country and city should be called whatever the majority of its inhabitants call it.”Kalaallit Nunaat” instead of “Greenland”,,”Roma” instead of “Rome” “Nihon” instead of “Japan” “Sakartvelo” instead of “Georgia”..”Zhung Guo” instead of “China”.etc…Raedwulf

January 19, 2009 at 5:04 pm
(35) A Seagull says:

Whoa. Now, I am even more confused.

January 19, 2009 at 10:08 pm
(36) Michael Borger says:

Wow, Barry. I can’t believe you’re blaming Israel for the war in ’67. What would you do if your enemies were collectively massing their armies on your country’s entire border? Wait for them to inevitably charge right in or recognize the situation and take matters into your own hands for the sake of your own survival and sovereignty? Don’t blame Israel for having a better military. Blame the Arab countries for not doing their due diligence and starting a war they were about to quickly lose. Egypt and Jordan came to realize that they were not about to beat Israel militarily, which is a main reason they now have peace agreements with them. Perhaps Hamas will one day come to the same realization, but I doubt it. They are fundamentally backward, hanging on to ideologies long since otherwise put to rest in the history of the evolution of civilization.

January 19, 2009 at 11:23 pm
(37) leedurhamstone says:

Izzy, Where does your information about the psycholinguistics of the Misddle East come from?

January 20, 2009 at 6:45 am
(38) David says:

Have to agree with Matt on this one. How can any country impose a capital on any other country. He is right. In fact the seat of Israel’s government is in Jerusalem. Its Parliment and Supreme Court. Why does Israel have to be held to a different standard than Australia or any other country? Can’t Israel just be Israel? Thats the real issue.

January 20, 2009 at 7:46 am
(39) world traveler says:

The nation can determine the location of its capital. And, as they place their government there, it is the capital.

Foreign governments can place their Embassies where they wish (assuming the host nation accredits them). I would imagine that the foreign embassies in Tel Aviv are there for security reasons most of all. (This approach is rare and might not have been very practical before modern transport)

To my memory, the capitals of Belize and Legos have changed and the Embassies moved later (at least the American ones). Also, off the top of my head, both Bolivia and South Africa have two capitals, each housing parts of the government.

January 20, 2009 at 8:22 am
(40) Khalafallah says:

I tried my best to come accross all these controversial discussions as some go far east whereas others go far west. So, I just raise such a qustion: Isn’t it possible for both to leave in peace. I hope that day comes soon to see the inhabitants of both capitals live peacefully side by side, the Jews in west Jerusalem and the Muslims in east Jerusalem. On that day I will be able to come to vist east Jerusalem and spend a couple of days in the Holly mosque (Masjid Al Aqsa), that is after getting a visit visa from the Palestinian Embassy at Khartoum (Sudan’s capital)…. ElTayeb Khalafallah.

January 20, 2009 at 1:39 pm
(41) Stuart McC says:

Interestingly, Israel does not actually hold sovereignty over Jerusalem. It is a corpus separatum, an open city, in law. East Jerusalem is unquestioningly occupied illegally. I think the best path to peace would be for the US to stop its blind support for Israel and force it to negotiate with its neighbours instead of attacking them. Israel’s wars do it no good; the massacre in Gaza has further damaged Israel’s reputation, esp. in the western world and its defeat at the hands of Hizbollah in 2006 may yet push an even more extremist Israeli gov’t into office. Israel must recognise Palestine, acknowledge the Naqba, end its brutal occupation and forcibly remove the illegal colonists on the West Bank. If there is no justice there can be no peace.

By the way, Britain engineered this catastrophe in the 1917 Balfour Declaration. We have done nothing right since.

May 24, 2011 at 12:50 pm
(42) Steve says:

No, Hamas, Hezbollah, and other ILLEGAL terrorist organizations can get real and recognize the fact that Israel is here to stay. It’s kindof funny to read someone say that Israel was defeated in any war. If she were it would only happen once as the massacre would be against the israeli’s perpetrated by the arab, palestinian, terrorist, whatever. Israel can only loose a war once whereas her enemies can have a bite at the apple in perpetuity thanks to the thinking of folks like you.

January 20, 2009 at 3:31 pm
(43) Calif-Japan-Traveler says:

To Izzy:

The comments you made were spectacular. I second Leedurhamstone’s question…where did you find that info?

It’s really interesting. Any further information would really be helpful. Thanks!

March 13, 2011 at 1:55 pm
(44) Israel "izzy" Cohen says:

Please forgive the 2-year delay in answering your question.

I learned about the concept of anthropomorphic maps from the linguist Dan Moonhawk Alford (deceased) and the anthropologist Stan Knowlton. They described the maps of Napi (creator of the Blackfoot indians, aka The Old Man) and his wife (The Old Woman) in Alberta, Canada and northern Montana.

I reconstructed the connections between the Phoenician (and some Greek) body part terms and geographic areas in west Asia and north Africa myself. They still sound Hebraic because both Hebrew and Phoenician were Western Semitic languages very similar lexicons.

For a more complete description of these “maps”, see
and the databases at

Best regards,

January 22, 2009 at 6:18 pm
(45) New Zealand says:

I’m shocked this is such a hot topic of debate. Jerusalem is by no means the capital of Israel as, quite simply, Jerusalem as a whole DOES NOT BELONG to Israel and therefore Israel, quite simply, does not have the right to proclaim its capital on another country’s land. The United Nations understands this and nearly every other country in the world other than Israel understands this. The answer is simple

January 25, 2009 at 2:10 pm
(46) pamela says:

i want to find my brother Emiljano Jakoeli.He lived in Tel Aviv.I am his sister from albania and i dont now good english .an you have any information please send me a email in adress:xxpamelaxx@msn.com.Thank you

January 26, 2009 at 5:28 pm
(47) Barry says:

Michael – You can’t believe I’m blaming Israel for the ’67 war? What planet are you reporting from? In the pre-dawn hours of an early June morning Israel’s airforce destroyed the sitting airforces of Egypt and Syria. That attack and its expansion to Syria amounted to a continuation of the war Israel carried out on Egypt in ’57. Egypt was no more preparing for war than Israel – in fact, preparing far less than Israel, and had even sent its top diplomat to Washington in a failed effort to get Israel to back off. Israel nipped that last chace peace effort in the bud with its blitzkrieg. Let’s be clear, early Zionists wanted an Eretz Israel that included all or most of the Sinai, deep into Lebanon, and up to and beyond the Jordan River. They failed to get this in ’48 and ’56 – but succeeded in ’67. The reason Israel came to peace with Egypt is that Israel realized (via the ’73 war) that Israel would NEVER give up the Sinai to Israel. Hamas is popular because they not only deliver social goods to Palestinians they promise that they will get back all of the WB&G. That’s a noble goal that should be supported by all who believe in justice.

January 26, 2009 at 5:31 pm
(48) Barry says:

David and Matt – As I wrote before, much of Jerusalem and all of the WB&G are occupied. The world is wise not to reward Israel until it vacates all of Occupied Palestine. Until then, no embassies should move from Tel Aviv.

January 26, 2009 at 5:37 pm
(49) Barry says:

The statement near the end of my last post should have read: The reason Israel came to peace with Egypt is that EGYPT realized (via the Ď73 war) that Israel would never give up the Sinai to Israel.

Israel had been (as it has in all wars) planning the ’67 war well in advance. The prior November (11/66) it had invaded Jordan as a warm-up precursor. And of course, Israel had been carrying out massacres of Palestinians and Jordanians periodically since it was granted statehood.

January 26, 2009 at 7:22 pm
(50) Don Hirschberg says:

I am amazed by the intense interest in this question, ďIs Tel Aviv or Jerusalem the capital of Israel?Ē In my first post I admitted confusion about fifty years ago and 38 comments later I am no better off.
Look, neither Jerusalem nor Tel Aviv amount to significant cities except for the emotions generated. Combined they have about one million people. Israel would fit in a 90X90 mile square if tessellated. And I suspect if the crusaders hadnít done so much Holy Grailing Jerusalem would not be any more known to me than than many other ancient cities with holy claims. Why pick a place in the Middle East without oil to contest?

Since I went to the trouble of looking it up I will inflict my findings on you. My Random House Unabridged Dictionary, my Time Almanac 2007, my New Columbia Encyclopedia, and my NY Times Almanac 2000 all call Jerusalem the capital of Israel. But frankly I really donít care.

January 26, 2009 at 8:14 pm
(51) Barry says:

Don – IF the fact that most of Jerusalem sits in Occupied Palestine does not clear up the matter as to why so few countries in the world recognize it as Israel’s capital, then I guess it is useless to further explain.

January 27, 2009 at 2:23 am
(52) Don Hirschberg says:

Barry, except for the emotional aspects I have no basis for argument either way. If you canít accept Jerusalem as Israelís capital Iím sorry it causes you stress. Otherwise, I really donít care very much.

When I think about 10,000 to 20,000 children dying today and tomorrow, and many tomorrows from diarrhea because they donít have safe water things take on a different perspective. Most of these deaths could be saved by a few drops of laundry bleach in their drinking water. A matter of a few cents. Should these lives be saved? How far can one stretch his sympathy?

January 27, 2009 at 5:11 pm
(53) Barry says:

Don – The same people who are occupying much of Jerusalem and all of the West Bank and Gaza are the same people who deny Palestinians safe water, food, and the right to the pursuit of happiness or even a life free of the daily jackboot of Israeli soldiers. If you want to find sick kids go no further than Gaza. Granting Israel the right to make Jerusalem its capital, an ill-gotten gain from its war of aggression on the women, men and CHILDREN of Palestine, is tantamount to giving the nod to genocide. It is those who want Jerusalem as the capital of Israel who deny safe water to Gazans.

February 25, 2009 at 10:45 pm
(54) Netta says:


Here are some Hebrew mistakes:
Throat = GaRoN or TSaVaR.
GaRGeRet – you must mean GRoGeRet, which is Adam’s apple in English.
I have no idea what you mean by [@aTZiL]. It means ‘noble’.
Elbow = maRPeK.
Joint = miFRaK.
Both Elbow and Joint {as in, where bones meet} is from the root P-R-K — dislocation. Wrist = [@ama].
BoHeN = toe. Thumb = @agudal, from the root G-D-L = big.
YaReKH = Thigh. Buttocks = YaSHVan from sitting.
The vav in SHoK is a vowel, not a consonant. No connection to Kuwait here.
No such word as [SHaKeL], which is ‘weight’ and not heavy {=KaVeD}.
Gaza is not from ZooG. Back in the past, the ‘G’ wasn’t pronounced as G, but rather more like a kh-r-g mix.
YiSRael is from Y-SH-R = straight. NO connection to @oSHeR, from @-SH-R, ‘to approve’.

Just remember that back in the day there were many Semitic languages with very similar sounds, and some unsemitic, and sometimes it’s easy to search for connections when there are none.

April 28, 2009 at 5:53 am
(55) RALPH says:

Jerusalem is the only example to my knowledge where a country hasn’t the right to decide about its capital city.
It is very sad and ironical that the city who was the capital of a Jewish State about 3000
years ago is not recognized by countries which
came into existence much later and where there
is neither democracy nor respect of human right.
There is no reason neither religious nor political in my eyes why Jerusalem should be divided and shared as the capital of a future
Palestinian State.
Jerusalem is never mentioned in the Koran and during the centuries of Muslim rule over the
city it had neither religious nor political importantance for their rulers .

May 20, 2009 at 9:15 pm
(56) zheehod says:

Ralph – There was no Jewish state 3000 years ago. There were several Jewish chieftainships that eventually united for a brief period, but that’s hardly a basis for claiming a city (which existed for thousands of years before the Hebrews arrived) as Israel’s eternal capital. With regard to human rights – by conquering and establishing Apartheid rule in what remains of Palestine – Israel forfeited any claim to that noble ideal. Jerusalem is in Palestine. When the Jews finally come to their senses and vacate its ill-gotten gains, then perhaps it is entitled to establish its capital in the Israeli portion of that city.
Jerusalem is mentioned few times in the Koran because the Koran is not that kind of book. Just as there are no food recipes in an auto-repair manual.

May 20, 2009 at 10:15 pm
(57) Dennis/Pittsburgh says:

Jerusalem is a city that has roots to almost every religion in the world. This city should be declared an “open” city as the UN tried to do in the 40′s & 50′s.

Isreal’s claim as Jerusalem as it’s capital only inflames a continuing problem in the Middle-East that we are all growing tired of.

August 6, 2009 at 12:13 pm
(58) Willis Parns says:

Anybody who made the comment that it is up to the country itself to decide its own capital is absolutely correct. Those who say Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel are just simply wrong. Just because a lot of other countries feel it should be Tel Aviv does not make it right, it just means they’re wrong too.

August 6, 2009 at 12:29 pm
(59) Willis Parns says:

New Zealand- Go look at a globe and pay close attention to borders that are drawn on the globe. Then look close at cities that fall within those borders. After that comes the important part, go get yourself a clue.

August 27, 2009 at 6:14 pm
(60) zheehod says:

Willis – There can be no recognized capital in an occupied country. Israel’s conquest of East Jerusalem is an ill-gotten gain. When Israel pulls back to its pre-67 border and a Palestinian state is established, Israel can move its capital to West Jerusalem. East Jerusalem will be the capital of Palestine.

Suppose the Bulgarians conquered the District of Colombia and made Washington their capital? Would you say it was up to the Bulgarians?

August 27, 2009 at 8:11 pm
(61) Willis Parns says:

Sorry there is no country of Palestine and there never will be and there is no reason for one. If Palestinians don’t want them claiming Jerusalem they should stop them until then they can claim it as their capital if they feel like it.

August 27, 2009 at 8:15 pm
(62) Willis Parns says:

See this is how civilization has worked forever, people take over land and decide what they want to do with it until someone pushes them out of it. Until that’s the case its too bad just deal with it. The capital is Jerusalem.

September 11, 2009 at 4:28 pm
(63) Carla says:

I thrive for knowledge, but acording to wekipedia, Jerulsalem is the capital. So, shich is correct?

November 7, 2009 at 7:12 pm
(64) Zheehod says:

Willis – Of course there is a reason for a nation-state of Palestine. They are under illegal occupation as per the entire world. So the nations of the world agree that Jerusalem cannot be the capital. When the occupation ends the Palestinians will declare a state – with East Jerusalem as its capital.
If you think might makes right – then I suppose you have no problem with Iran developing nukes and bombing Israel, no?

Carla – Wikipedia is not an authoritative source. Anyone can post to Wikipedia – and in this instance someone who is pro-Israel posted the disinformation that Jerusalem is the capital. The World says otherwise- but for that info you need an objective source, not Wikipedia.

November 8, 2009 at 12:27 pm
(65) Willis Parns says:

I’m just saying that’s the way things go. The rest of the world doesn’t matter, they can declare it their capital if they feel like it. When someone else steps up and takes it good for them. As far as Iran goes they need to watch they do, they won’t bomb Israel because of the backlash that would come from it. The Palestinians need to stop bitching and man up a little.

November 8, 2009 at 11:24 pm
(66) Dennis Durant says:

Whatever man says about Jerusalem, G-d has said it is His city that He has chosen and loves, and where His temple will one day be raised again. In the Judaic-Christian faith, Orthdox Jews and Evangelical christians agree on this. It should be Israel’s capital under Israeli jurisdiction.

November 9, 2009 at 12:55 am
(67) Willis Parns says:

Yes alright well it should belong to Israel because they occupy it currently. Do not muddle my sound argument with razmataz bullshit

November 9, 2009 at 2:04 pm
(68) Zheehod says:

Willis – It might not matter where Israel puts its government quarters but the rest of the world DOES matter with regard to diplomatic relations. If other countries refuse to put their embassies and consulates in Jerusalem then relations are de facto downgraded.

Iran is no threat to bomb Israel. Iran has not attacked another country in hundreds of years – the same cannot be said of Israel (which violently and illegally occupies land not belonging to them even as I type this). The only threat of bombing has come FROM Israel, not to Israel. And the truth is, the Palestinians don’t bitch – it’s the Israelis who bitch, it is the Israelis who complain that the Palestinians resist as Israel takes their land.

Dennis – Jerusalem was built by the Palestinians thousands of years before the Hebrews arrived – it remained after most Jews left, and was still a functioning city when the Zionists (who have absolutely nothing to do with god or religion) arrived in the late 19th century. This is not god’s work, this is the usual colonial story of outsiders conquering natives.

May 24, 2011 at 1:00 pm
(69) Steve says:

Sorry, zhee- no such thing as palestine until the word was made up by the romans. Israel has made something of the land which the backward arabs could not. Now they are jealous and want the land back. If might made right the arabs would have massacred the Israeli’s 60 years ago. I can only surmise they out thought them……..

November 9, 2009 at 6:23 pm
(70) Willis Parns says:

Israel occupies it they can do what they want with it and no other nations don’t matter just because they refuse to put embassies there doesn’t mean Israel can’t declare it whatever they want. You’re 100% wrong.

November 9, 2009 at 6:36 pm
(71) Willis Parns says:

Sorry..you’re wrong. They occupy it they can do what they want with it quit bitching. A nation can decide its own capital

November 9, 2009 at 7:29 pm
(72) Willis Parns says:

Sorry..you’re wrong. They occupy it they can do what they want with it quit bitching. A nation can decide its own capital.

kk thx

November 10, 2009 at 1:05 pm
(73) Zheehod says:

I’ll say this again, Willis. Iran has not threatened to bomb Israel – in fact, Iran has not invaded another country in hundreds of years. Israel however, IS threatening to bomb Iran, the same Israel that illegally occupies the West Bank, Gaza, and Syria.

The Palestinians are under occupation – 42 years now – the world’s only occupation. Their lives are severely restricted and they are forbidden to participate in Israeli civil society. So the Palestinians can bitch legitimately. Israeli’s however, have no right to bitch – they are the occupiers.

And Dennis – God has nothing to do with this. There is no divine right to the region – such notions went out with the Enlightenment. Rather than religion, it has to do with the Geneva Conventions and other aspects of international law.

November 10, 2009 at 1:10 pm
(74) zheehod says:

No Willis – The fact that other nation’s won’t put their embassies and consulates in Jerusalem speaks volumes. If they did so, it would legitimize the occupation. And as the world has spoken, the occupation is illegal – thus no embassies. Israel can put its own government offices there – but the nation’s of the world will meet them in Tel Aviv.

November 10, 2009 at 10:10 pm
(75) Willis Parns says:

No see you have a failure to comprehend anything which is why you’re an idiot. Jerusalem is officially the capital of Israel “of Israel” other nations may not want to recognize but sorry it doesn’t matter. It just shows other nations opinions, this won’t change until they no longer occupy the region get over it.

November 10, 2009 at 10:12 pm
(76) Willis Parns says:

and that’s fine I know other nations meet them in Tel Aviv so that they don’t piss off the rest of the Middle East that’s the only reason. It doesn’t make it their capital sorry good game have fun no rematch take your garbage elsewhere.

November 10, 2009 at 10:18 pm
(77) Willis Parns says:

Oh and PS you’re obviously too bias to talk about this subject you don’t “illegally” occupy somewhere this isn’t like some state of New York law or something where a neighbor trespassed onto someone’s yard. When you take over an area its yours until you are pushed out.

November 11, 2009 at 6:11 pm
(78) Zheehod says:

Willie – Israel is dying to have other countries recognize Jerusalem as its capital – positively desperate to have them do so. But everybody in the world understands that the occupation is illegal, (never mind the ethnic cleansing and persecution). So, let’s understand the reason I say it’s an illegal occupation. In 1967 Israel attacked its neighbors and in so doing, conquered and occupied parts of their countries. The United Nations immediately passed Resolution 242 calling for Israel to vacate the areas it occupied – and the UN confirms that resolution every year. Thus the nations of the world have decided that these are ill-gotten gains. So, they have to give it up. Then they can put their capital in West Jerusalem.

In the meantime, if you are suggesting that the use of force is a valid way to obtain land – then are you willing to give over your country by force? Might makes right, no?

November 11, 2009 at 7:49 pm
(79) Willis Parns says:

Well first of all no one would be able to take my country by force and secondly, the UN is a joke, it’s just a bunch of ineffective talk. They never get anything done and they can say they’re going to do something until they’re blue in the face but the bottom line is they don’t. I wouldn’t put too much stock in anything they say you misguided fool. They’ll say it’s “ill gotten” to make certain countries happy but then turn around and not take action.

November 11, 2009 at 9:47 pm
(80) zheehod says:

Ah, Willie-Boy – So I see that your argument rests entirely on the notion that Israel can ignore world opinion – not on any moral structure. What we are talking about is UN Res 242, a resolution passed by the nations of the world that make up the UN, not passed by the UN organization to make certain countries happy. You get the difference? it’s not the UN itself doing this to make nation’s happy – it’s the nation’s themselves. At any rate, the only thing holding you guys up is US welfare and diplomatic cover in this very UN. Otherwise, Israel goes back to its original borders – and leaves the WB&G like it had to leave Egypt and Lebanon. You know, one time long ago, before your time Willie-Boy, Egypt almost defeated Israel, but Israel was bailed out by Kissinger. Don’t be so certain about Israeli victories.
But let’s get back to the original point – Tel Aviv is your capital. It does not matter where the Knesset meets, it only matters what the world accepts and rejects.

November 12, 2009 at 1:14 am
(81) Willis Parns says:

Oh and one other thing the legal, executive, and judicial branches are all in Jerusalem which is where their capital actually is.

GG HF NO RE THX BYE. Owned By Willis Parns Inc. Owning misinformed idiots since 1889.

November 12, 2009 at 1:16 am
(82) Willis Parns says:

Oh my god seriously? Before My time? Its hardly before my time. What are you some 18 year old Palestinian hopeful? lmao. Yes it is the UN itself. By the way it’s an orginization made up of..Countries. None of them care about this bullshit.. they are all economic giants concerned with their own affairs they honestly don’t care about Israel or what land they occupy. Israel will never go back to its original borders because the only group that has the power to make them actually cares less whether or not they kill off all of the Palestinians. Actually the bottom line is the Middle East is way to overpopulated as it is, job creation lags way behind entrants into the workforce which is why the Middle East is NOTHING. Therefore none one actually cares about what happens in the Middle East, it’s the only part of the world that keeps the rest of us from moving on into an improved advanced society. The Middle East is a stigma on the Earth that ironically started humanity and is now doing nothing but holding it down

November 12, 2009 at 1:20 am
(83) Willis Parns says:

Tel Aviv is not the Israeli capital sorry learn something about geography thanks. Please don’t refer to it as my capital I don’t live in Israel I live in the west though I’ll let you guess where.

November 12, 2009 at 1:22 am
(84) Willis Parns says:

You’re clearly too bias to talk about this issue. Since you keep spouting false statements as if you actually believe them.

November 12, 2009 at 1:26 am
(85) Willis Parns says:

Every top source will back me up on this because it’s true. Oh yeah and guess what when America wants something we get it end of story.. We’re the final say on who does what, what is what, and who gets what, let the good times roll Zheehod.

November 12, 2009 at 5:15 pm
(86) Willis Parns says:

and nothing ever gets done in the UN it’s all just a bunch of talk, they’ll say one thing to appease the victims but then never act on it sorry.

November 12, 2009 at 6:26 pm
(87) zheehod says:

Willie-boy – Even the US does NOT recognize Al-Quds (the Arab name for the city) as the capital. The United States recognizes Tel Aviv as the capital. So the various branches of Israeli government can meet in Jerusalem or they can meet at the supermarket – but the world says Tel Aviv. And that burns Israel up. Hey, maybe when Jerusalem is ALSO the capital of Palestine, you both can keep your capitals there.

November 12, 2009 at 7:13 pm
(88) Barnabas Path says:

Israel is not a country; Israel is a State, as is Palestine. Perhaps you have missed all of the recent news about the fighting over control of the land there.

Furthermore, East Jerusalem is nearly all Palestinian, if I recall correctly, at least until that area is ethnically cleansed also.

November 12, 2009 at 7:26 pm
(89) Barnabas Path says:

@ Willis – having just read a long string of your posts, may I add that opinions and posturing such as yours is the reason why extremists – both Israeli and Palestinian – control the dialogue, and by extension, the bloodshed, today.

November 12, 2009 at 8:06 pm
(90) zheehod says:

Barnabas – Though you recognize that Palestine has been ethnically cleansed, you seem to think the Palestinians should take a tone of moderation. The truth is, all parties in the Arab world have offered recognition of Israel – 22 Arab League states, and both Fatah and Hamas. This is truly moderation. That moderation goes unrecognized in the American mainstream media. On the other hand, Israel’s Netanyahu recently said that continued construction of Israeli settlements in the West Bank should not be an excuse for Palestinians to refrain from negotiations. That’s the extreme position – and it is entirely Israeli.

November 13, 2009 at 1:14 am
(91) Willis Parns says:

why doesn’t Israel, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon all just combine into one large nation called Retardistan? All this conflict does is waste the world’s time. The civilized countries of the world are trying to focus on more important things and all the third world Middle East and the Maghrib does is impede our progress.

November 13, 2009 at 8:46 am
(92) zheehod says:

Because Israel illegally occupies land that does not belong to it. The world will be a much better place when Israel goes back to Israel.

November 13, 2009 at 9:28 am
(93) Willis Parns says:

No it won’t the Middle East always has and always will be huge waste of space that does nothing but holds the world back with trivial land disputes. Just keep fighting each other over small plots of land the rest of us will continue to have a civilization.

November 13, 2009 at 5:03 pm
(94) zheehod says:

No. Everything is connected. The reason 9/11 happened to the US is because of US policy in the Middle East. So you see, unless the land issues are resolved. ‘the rest of us will’ find we cannot just ‘continue to have a civilization.’ US policy and practice comes back to haunt us.

November 14, 2009 at 2:35 am
(95) Willis Parns says:

No that’s not why 9/11 happened..terrorist attacks happen everywhere so don’t get started on that because you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s fine though because the Middle East will never do anything for the world except produce oil. Oh and by the way since that expiration date is quickly approaching you should realize that the number 1 largest oil field is off the coast of Brazil and Alaska is close behind. The Middle East will lose it’s only saving grace and the America’s take over completely. It’s going to be such a shame for you morons.

November 14, 2009 at 2:37 am
(96) Willis Parns says:

The west is greater than you.

November 14, 2009 at 10:36 am
(97) B Ayotte says:

The answer is found in Genesis 15:18, “On the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates. . . .(NKJ)”
From the Nile River in Egypt to the Euphrates in the Near East, so the capital of Israel IS Jerusalem.

November 14, 2009 at 2:51 pm
(98) zheehod says:

Willis – As is commonly understood, Israel’s occupation of Palestine is viewed in the Middle East as a cancer – a gross violation of the just rights of the Palestinian people – and as gross theft of Arab land. That it is supported by the US along with other US transgressions in the region is the reason that al-Qaeda attacked the US.

B Ayotte – This conflict has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible. You might as well be citing Ladies Home Journal.

November 14, 2009 at 7:58 pm
(99) B Ayotte says:

zheehod- I guess you like to play with words,jihad. I have given you the truth, now you can either accept it or reject it. God Bless.

November 15, 2009 at 3:26 am
(100) Willis Parns says:

Zheehod..al-Qaeda is nothing, they’re absolutely nothing, they’re not even a pimple on the United State’s ass. Life goes on and we could care less what you or anyone else thinks of our policy in the Middle East. We go where we want, when we want and that’s the way it’s going to be deal with it.

November 23, 2009 at 4:01 pm
(101) zheehod says:

B ayotte – I reject it as irrelevant. You have no idea what the truth is.

Willis – Yes, it is commonly understood that Israel cares not what happens to the US – Israel will do as it pleases. That’s because Israel is the ally of no one. However, Americans have to ask – how many Americans should die for a morally bankrupt foreign policy.

November 23, 2009 at 8:39 pm
(102) Willis Parns says:


November 27, 2009 at 8:28 pm
(103) boatops says:

I think Israel’s Capitol should be on the USS LIBERTY. The U.S. Navy ship ISRAEL ATTACKED on June 8th 1967 that KILLED 34 and wounded 174 U.S. Servicemen. That way the WORLD could remember that ISRAEL is No ONE’s Friend!. REMEMBER the LIBERTY!!!

November 27, 2009 at 10:38 pm
(104) zheehod says:

Good point boatops. Willis should also know that the United Nations Security Council and the General Assembly declared Israel’s declaration of Jerusalem as its capital, “a nullity.” (SC Res 478 of 8/20/80 and GA Res 35/169 of 12/15/80)

That should put this issue to rest.

November 28, 2009 at 2:35 am
(105) Willis Parns says:

No it doesn’t because you’re still wrong. No independent country or countries can impose a capital city upon another independent country. The best they can do is “declare” things and give opinions but sorry in the end as long as Israel is an independent country they have the right to decide their own capital. Jerusalem holds the legislative, executive, and judicial branches of their government and have declared it their capital regardless of what any other country thinks. End of story Im right you’re wrong stop talking.. shut up. Willis Parns Inc.

November 28, 2009 at 2:40 am
(106) Willis Parns says:

Oh and PS: If other countries don’t like then guess what they have to take the land themselves and quit their whining and stop hoping that some outdated rhetoric and slow-moving, do-nothing council helps them out because in the long run the UN could care less whether or not that land is actually restored to the palestinians. See we real countries worry about things like the world economy and advancing the species not fighting over desert terrain that means nothing.

January 11, 2010 at 9:19 pm
(107) Mr Atheist says:

Everybody wake up! There is no God, therefore there is no holy city so noone can ‘claim’ Jerusalem on religious grounds. The sooner you all get to grips with this concept the sooner we can all move on. Stop believing in fairies and goblins.

January 13, 2010 at 1:20 am
(108) Willis Parns says:

You clearly have nothing to add to the real argument, you’re an idiot.

January 16, 2010 at 7:05 pm
(109) CClark says:

Willis, as long as the US taxpayers are giving Israel billions of dollars every year in military equipment and our government continues to guarantee loans to Israel, then Israel IS our business. Israel’s continued intransigence in its dealings with the Palestinians is a security threat to not only itself but also to the United States. “By his own account, KSM’s animus toward the United States stemmed….from his violent disagreement with U.S. foreign policy favoring Israel.” (p.147, The 9/11 Commission Report).
In other words, that’s why he planned the 9/11 attacks.

January 18, 2010 at 1:28 am
(110) Willis Parns says:

Ok and thank you for what exactly? Terrorist attacks are always going to happen they happen everywhere in the world on a regular basis whether it is domestic or foreign terrorism. The point you thought you were trying to make is inadequate and has no bearing but thank you for saying nothing.

January 27, 2010 at 4:22 pm
(111) Willis is a 12 year old boy says:

Willis – your comments are all emotional (take it and it’s yours, they can try to take it from us) and don’t address your errors and mischaracterizations when called on (the issue is not that no country cal tell another country where it’s capital is, it is that a country can not have a capital on land that is not that theirs…that is just a proclamation). You foolishly state no one can defeat israel. How stupid to state Israel is the most powerful nation on the planet (or could withstand an alliance if others were as aggressive as you promote Israel to be). You state Israel can take whatever it wants. This thread was not “Do people think if they claim land in an occupied territory, does it make it theirs?” Obviously, you do. Also obviously, we are clearly dealing with a 12 year old school boy with the usual amount of logic to be expected.

January 27, 2010 at 11:41 pm
(112) Willis Parns says:

Actually first of all I never declared Israel as the most powerful nation on the planet so clearly you’re a dolt who makes up anything even if it is blatantly false. This leads me to believe that you are in fact the 12 year old in this argument. Secondly, I’m not condoning the actions of Israel but the reality remains the same even if you don’t want to come to terms with it. They have declared it as theirs and the fact remains that they have to be pushed out if you want to declare it as something else. The problem is there isn’t an organized force that has a strong enough alliance to change this (at least not at this time, it could and does have something to do with all of the United States backing). However to reiterate what I said before you seem to think that you quoted me on things that I’ve said when I never really said them which in laymen terms means you are a liar. I am not taking sides here but as it stands Jerusalem is the de facto capital of Israel and if anyone wants it changed they will have to do something about it, so in the meantime quit saying “Oh they stole the land they can’t claim it,” and go claim it back and stop whining.

January 27, 2010 at 11:48 pm
(113) Willis Parns says:

Willis Parns Inc. Owning idiots since 1889.

February 5, 2010 at 9:47 am
(114) hunny says:

i think tel aviv is israeli’s capital.jerusalam is just the cultural and religious capital like islamabad is pakistan;s capital and lahore is its cultural capital.making jesusalam islaeli capital will not more then a emotional desion because jerusalam is not fort dirty politics its a very holy place for muslims cristians and jews as well and it willl be also unfare for palestinians because they consider it as there future capital. after all they deserve it because they r the indiginious people where modern israeli;s r european migrents.

February 5, 2010 at 11:22 pm
(115) Willis Parns says:

to clear up the spelling, migrants* and Christians*. As for the capital it’s Jerusalem end of story. Unfortunately the world does not function as it should whether you think the Palestinians deserve the land or not doesn’t matter. The fact remains (unfortunately) if they want to claim it they have to take it.

February 6, 2010 at 8:45 am
(116) Stuart says:

Israel needs to be forced into a just peace for the Palestinians for Israel’s own sake. Israel has lived by the sword for way too long and is fast becoming incapable of defeating its neighbours militarily. Following Israel’s defeat at the hands of the Hezbollah in 2006, its enemies no longer fear it; Israel has lost its ‘deterrence capability’, the fear of Israel.

Another war is now looming large and Israel threatening Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Gaza. But Israel might bite off far more than it can chew; Syria has expressed that it would not tolerate another Israeli attack on Lebanon. Perhaps Israel wants this sort of escalation, creating a regional war that would draw the US in.

Israel must be stopped. It’s a ‘rogue nation’, a ‘failed state’. The US has it in its power (if not within its will) to rein the Israeli’s in. If this does not happen, if the Israeli’s continue starting wars and committing massacres, then the cycle of violence will continue. And one day Israel will suffer a catastrophic defeat. I oppose the extremist Israeli government but I support normal Israeli’s and the right of Israel to exist peacefully within its legal borders. The only route to peace is through justice for the Palestinians and an end to Israeli aggression.

No justice, no peace.

February 11, 2010 at 11:57 pm
(117) Willis Parns says:

Move to Jordan and get over it or change it.

February 27, 2010 at 4:53 am
(118) Michael D says:

Stuart: East Jerusalem is NOT “illegaly occupied”. Check your international law. Jordan illegally occupies the West Bank from 1949 to 1967 as a result of their war of aggression against Israel.

Jerusalem was captured from the Jordanians (along with the West Bank) in another war of Jordanian aggression.

Under international law, the West Bank and Gaza Strip are not “occupied territories”, but “disputed territories”. Technically, they are “terra nullitis”, since they offically belong to no sovereign state.

When you speak of “justice”, you have to include the more than 1,000,000 Jewish refugees expelled from Arab and Muslim countries as well, otherwise there is no justice. Or are you one of those who believe justice is only for the Palestinians?

March 1, 2010 at 5:46 am
(119) Stuart says:

Really, Michael D? Seems that the entire world disagrees with you. I suppose the World Court, in its 2004 advisory opinion, was wrong when it referred to the Occupied Palestinian Territory of “the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem.” What you have posted is false.

Of course, Jerusalem is still technically “Corpus Separandum” but that status has simply no future in the eventual settlement.

Let’s talk about the 800,000-1,000,000 Jews that were forced to leave or chose to do so. I agree with you. They deserve justice. They should be compensated and be allowed to return to their homes if they wish so. Do you extend this same justice to the Palestinians?

June 5, 2011 at 9:36 am
(120) ronald says:

whenever you are losing an argument you invariably refer to the “opinion of the world”.Why, did the Arabs ask the world if it is ok to conquer non arab peoples during the time of muhammad and his followers?Did the British get the consent of the world before colonizing India?Did Russia ask for approval from the world before subjugating nonrussian countries.The list can go on and on.And the peoples of these countries have the gall to accuse Israel and the Jews of commiting exactly the the same wrongdoing that their countries hve commited!Hypocrites!

June 27, 2011 at 4:29 pm
(121) Stuart says:

If I might address those examples…
The Muslim Conquests were well over a thousand years ago. The British Empire was brutal and rapacious. The Soviet Empire was a vicious dictatorship. I oppose all empires! I oppose all powers that would subjugate human beings. The British are hypocrits, the Americans are two-faced and the Russians are self-serving. I agree with you.

And I agree in the basic principles of international law. I agree with the UN Charter. I agree that most of the time it’s a talking shop clouded in hypocrisy. But it’s clear that this brutal military occupation is illegal. All human beings have the right of self-determination. No human should have a government forced upon them that they clearly oppose. The Palestinians have to accept Israeli rule but have no say in who governs them. Is that fair?

March 11, 2010 at 8:41 am
(122) Rick says:

Michael D – Israeli supreme court ruling regarding the route of the “security wall” considers Israeli presence in WB as a “belligerent occupation”

March 23, 2010 at 3:11 pm
(123) J Derda says:

If Israel says Jerusalem is their capital, then it is.

March 24, 2010 at 1:39 pm
(124) Dillonowski says:

Flanagan, you make good points, with one glaring exception. In 47-49 the Palestinians were invited to stay
in their homes and live within the borders of Israel as
The Arab leadership instructed all Palestinians to refuse Israels offer, and thus became refugees, that the enemies of Israel have used as a political pawn ever since.
It was my understanding that Jerusalem wanted Jerusalem to be their capital in 1948, but it was determined that Jerusalem should be considered an
international city becasue of its status among the Christians, Muslims and Jews. So, Tel Aviv was designated as the capital.
Bibi recently declaring Jerusalem as the capital is in direct
response to the Palestinians demanding East Jerusalem
as the capital of their new sovereign country.
The same reasoning that forced Tel Aviv to become the capital of Israel should be reiterated to the Palestinians
so that their demand for East Jerusalem as its capital be\
taken off the bargaining table before any peace talks can
Remember Yassar Arafat, as the leader of the PLO, ending
his speeches…”tomorrow Jerusalem.” Demanding East
Jerusalem is just the next step in the goal to drive Israel into the sea.

March 25, 2010 at 11:22 am
(125) mike morgan says:

Tel Aviv is the capital. You said it yourself. Other countries, the UN, and what is legal all call Tel Aviv the capital. The US needs a more balanced policy in the middle east. To much money is spent and lives lost due to the attitude of Israel. East Jerusalem and the west bank are not within Israels borders and do not belong to Israel.

March 25, 2010 at 7:04 pm
(126) derek marlowe says:

I read all the comments and I award BARRY the award for speaking the most non-truthful statements.
Your award will be devlivered to you by a nice Jewish boy, please dont murder him.

March 27, 2010 at 1:44 am
(127) willis parns says:

It’s theirs until they get pushed out..sorry stop being naive

March 29, 2010 at 9:35 am
(128) Fae Kaufman says:

To Bill……With your attitude toward Israel, the same should apply to the USA…Give back all the land that the Americans took from Native Americans, the western part of Texas taken from Mexico and most of California….All of this could be considered occupied territory and still is today and with your attitude, should be given back…..Oh yes, and the capitol of the USA, Washington, D.C. should be divided and the Arabs in this country should have this……How disgusting

April 1, 2010 at 11:44 pm
(129) Stuart says:

Dillonowski said, “In 47-49 the Palestinians were invited to stay in their homes and live within the borders of Israel as

This is false. If you read currenst scholarship, especially the Israeli ones, they all agree that what happened was expulsion. The only area of disagreement is whether it was a planned expulsion or whether it was a resultant opportunity for “population transfer” (ethnic cleansing) born of war and grasped by the Zionists.

Benny Morris, Ilan Pappe, Zeev Maoz, Shlomo Ben-Ami all agree it was an ethnic cleansing. These are four of the leading Israeli scholars and most of them are Zionists.

Your recollection of Netanyahu, the Palestinians and Jerusalem is all mixed up. Security Council resolution 478 declared Israel’s 1980 Jerusalem Law ‘null and void’. The Palestinians didn’t demand East Jerusalem, it’s theirs under the law. And the entire world, even the US on most points, agrees that the 2 state solution – a free, contiguous and independent Palestine, with East Jerusalem as its capital, living alongside an Israeli state based on the pre-June 1967 borders and recognised by the Arabs, and a just settlement of the refugee problem – is the only basis on which peace may be attained. The occupation is illegal, the settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank are illegal, the annexation of East Jerusalem is illegal. These are indisputable facts on international law which are only opposed by the hardline Israeli establishment and settlers and a minority of American Zionists, both Jewish and Christian.

I’m for Israel and Palestine living free and safe alongside each other, with links to the whole Middle East and beyond. That is what the law says, that is what most of the world supports, and that is justice. No justice, no peace.

April 2, 2010 at 1:33 pm
(130) Rachel says:

I don’t claim to be any expert on this stuff, but, don’t victories in war legitimize Israel’s claim to the land, no matter who started the wars? It only really matters who won them. Hasn’t war always been the primary means to lay claim to land? Sure, today’s more ethical, peace-seeking view of things wants everyone to play fair and not cause problems and stay out of each other’s yards and whatnot, but if two people want the same land, they fight, and one wins, I think it’s pretty clear who the land belongs to after that. It would be more ethical and better for everybody if Israel did this or that, but that’s their decision to make.

Waging war is like gambling. No matter who starts the game, both parties ultimately risk something in an attempt to end up with more. If Bob wagers his house, and loses, the other guy gets it even if that means Bob and his family are out on their butts. The winner has the right to take what he won, even if everyone in the room thinks it would be nice and promote peace if he’d consider the loser’s well-being.

In other words, (in my opinion) since Israel won that land in war, it’s theirs to do what they will with it. As for Jerusalem, I don’t know who it belongs to, it having been declared an international city way back when… so I have no opinion on whether Tel Aviv or Jerusalem is the “real” capital. I also do not have an opinion on which side are the bad guys and which the good guys, Israel or Palestine, because I don’t *REALLY* know, and most people arguing here don’t *REALLY* know, what’s *REALLY* been going on over there. If you’re Arab, you’ve probably heard the story with a different bend to it than if you’re a white American. Which bend is closer to the truth? Who really knows? Only an omniscient being, if anyone.

Zheehod: Yes, if Bulgaria conquered DC, then it’s theirs. I’d say it’d be a bad idea for them to make it their capital, but that’s up to them.

Willis: You’re making Americans look bad by ranting and raving about how we’re better than everyone else. We’re really mucking things up over in the ME, if you haven’t noticed. Even IF you’re right about some things, you’re just making yourself look childish and ignorant. This is coming from a 21-year-old… Someone who has a different view than you is not necessarily an “idiot.” Someone who misunderstands what you say is not necessarily an idiot, either. For all you know, everyone you called an idiot could have a higher IQ than you do.

B Ayotte: FYI, the descendants of Abram (Abraham) include the Muslims. Abraham is a forefather of Judaism, Christianity, AND Islam…

With all that having been said, I’m off to eat some microwavable tacos.

April 3, 2010 at 10:17 pm
(131) israeli says:

i totally disagree with matt rosenberg.
israelies should be allowed to state thir own capital.
it is thier land therefore they have full right to choose their capital. it has been their land since they conquered it thousands of years ago.
God gave it to them, let them decide wether or not to have jerusalem as their state. if any one of you has ever been to israel and has gone to jerusalem you will know why it is their capital and why it should be why it was and why it will always remain the capital.

April 4, 2010 at 7:24 pm
(132) Stuart says:

Rachel, according to international law it is inadmissible to acquire territory by war. The West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip were captured in the June ’67 war. They are illegally occupied Palestinian territories and Israel has no claim to them. War may once have been the ‘primary means to lay claim to land’ but it has been totally illegal (even under treaty following the cessation of hostilities) under international law since 1945.

June 5, 2011 at 9:41 am
(133) ronald says:

And that international law was crafted at the behest of the arabs for their own benefit.It wasnt so until they lost everything to Israel.

June 27, 2011 at 4:19 pm
(134) Stuart says:

Please expand on that point, Ronald, because it doesn’t seem to have done the Arbs much good.

April 16, 2010 at 12:32 am
(135) Willis Parns says:

actually Rachel your opinion is fine but the reason the United States is even in the Middle East is so that volatile countries like Iraq continue to denominate oil sales into dollars instead of Euros. To argue against your next point, about me saying I am better than everyone else, I actually never said that so your statement there is a complete fabrication and boils down to nothing more than a lie. It’s fine when someone believes different than me, however, I come across this a lot in debates or as I like to call (many different parties arguing arbitrary nonsense). What I attempt to do in these situations is show people why they are mistaken in their thinking and amazingly with different arguments even when presented with facts people continue to argue claims that are wrong and cannot be disputed. I think ultimately we are on the same page when it comes to the basic argument at hand here. Israel currently has the land and they can officially declare Jerusalem as their capital if they want to. As far as you being confused with the status of Tel Aviv, it has never been Israel’s official capital as declared by them. Arbitrary parties can keep saying that Jerusalem cannot be the capital until they are blue in the face but regardless it does not make them right, and they are simply incorrect.

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June 14, 2010 at 12:46 pm
(136) No. says:

No, Rachel. After World War 2, we came together and hammered out a treaty that decided some things. It was called the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, or, more commonly, the Fourth Geneva Convention. You might want to look into it.


July 29, 2010 at 10:10 am
(137) ronald64 says:

What point are srael’s enemies trying to make? That not recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel changes the reality that it is indeed the capital of Israel? Denying a reality doesn’t change a reality. By persisting on their delusions these enemies of Israel are just making a fool of themselves,

August 2, 2010 at 2:40 pm
(138) Sandra says:

de facto capital of the state of Israel.

so if a people ethnically cleansed an area and moved their people in and then called it their capital that would be ok?


under international law and at the bequest of 99% of the worlds population Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel

and no just cause they want to ethnical cleanse it doesnít mean they can name it their capital

why that would be implying that despite the palestinians outnumbering jews 3:1 in 1947 that they had some right to not creating a jewish state

August 19, 2010 at 4:18 am
(139) Michael Sugich says:

I think that since the State of Israel was imposed on the Middle East by an external entity, i.e. the United Nations, against the overwhelming objections of the indigenous population of the region, then the State of Israel should respect the will of the United Nations and maintain Tel Aviv as the capital and refrain from claiming the city of Jerusalem as its capital.

October 3, 2010 at 5:38 am
(140) Jordan is the homeland of "Pallies" says:

The only reason the so-called “Palestinians” (ie. Jordanian Arabs) suddenly want Jerusalem as their capital is because……the Jews have it, and that pisses them off. Even though the Muslim world already controls 99.99% of the Middle East under a variety of despotic regimes who treat human beings (especially women) worse than dogs, they can’t bear the thoughts of a Jewish country right on their doorstep thriving and prospering in a former desert wasteland – it’s an embarassment to all those Muslim countries which are still living in the Dark Ages. The very term “Palestinian” was invented by the PLO in the 60s for political purposes as a way of trying to delegitimise the rightful state of Israel. Palestinians have no historic, moral, religious, physical or legal right to the land, they are squatters in the historic and religious Jewish homeland. The Koran does not mention Jerusalem anywhere, there are no “Palestinian” artifacts in the city of Jerusalem, there is no “Palestinian” language, there is no Palestinian culture that differs from Arab culture in any way. In short, there is no such thing as a Palestinian, it’s a made-up “nationality”. The so-called indigenous Palestinians are all just descendants of Arabs who immigrated to the region now known as Palestine during the 20th century for economic reasons, as the Jewish settlers created a booming economy. The UN helped to cover up this great political fraud by allowing all Arabs who had lived in Palestine for at least 2 years to call themselves Palestinians. It’s a bit like the modern white citizens of California who immigrated from Britain trying to claim they are the indigenous people of the United States and trying to make Washington DC their “capital”. Even if we felt like playing nice with these Jordanian Arabs to shut them up, why should we? They already got offered their own state under the Balfour Declaration, and Jordan stole 70% of that land, yet curiously no-one ever asks Jordan to give this illegally occupied land back. So the “Palestinians” should ask the govt of Jordan for their “state” back, or they should declare their capital to be Amman. It makes as much sense as trying to lay claim to Jerusalem, which is indisputably and always will be the holy city, the undivided capital of Israel, and the centre of the Jewish faith. Last time Jordan had control of East Jerusalem, they desecreated all of the Jewish holy sites and ethnically cleansed all of the Jewish residents. So you’re kidding yourselves if you think Israel will EVER allow any Muslims to seize their holy city ever again. That would be like demanding Mecca from the Muslims. Never going to happen unless you want WW3 to break out, every Israeli would defend West and East Jerusalem with their life. Palestinians can make up all the lies they want in an attempt to deceive the world, it’s never going to happen. Of course, none of this would be so bad if you thought that exchanging land for peace would actually work. But you see, that’s not the long-term aim of Hamas, Iran, Syria, or Lebanon. They don’t just want East Jerusalem, Gaza and the West Bank. They want ALL OF ISRAEL, and they won’t stop their evil terrorism until they achieve that goal. So there is no point trying to negotiate or freeze building settlements or playing nice with the Jordanian Arabs. That’s just a ruse so they can “throw the Jews into the sea.” Personally, I think Israel should seal up its borders and not let any Arabs travel into Israel at all, and stop wasting our money by sending aid into Gaza. Tell their best mates Iran, the Holocaust deniers, or all those useful idiots in the UK (anyone remember Chamberlain and how he appeased Hitler?) to send them some food if they care so much.

June 8, 2011 at 2:47 am
(141) Nams says:

You are absolutely wrong when you say that arabs want to occupy the entire Irael, they actually want the ENTIRE WORLD. Dont you see that they multiply like mushrooms by getting married to more than one woman? The reason behind this is to conquer the world and convert everyone to islamic religion. So wherever or whichever part of the world if we hear about terrorist attacks it can only be muslims behind it- they want bloodshed everywhere

October 5, 2010 at 10:00 pm
(142) Stuart says:

What a silly, paranoid, racist and false post. The word Palestine was attributed thousands of years ago and you know it. This is the kind of nonsense you hear from the spokespeople of the illegal settlers in occupied Palestine.

You can discuss your version of history and you can tell yourself what a wonderful book Joan Peters wrote, but international law says that the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip are Occupied Palestinian Territories.

The world has a consensus on a solution based on the pre-June ’67 border. The whole world agrees. Even Hamas and Ahmadiniejad support it. All of the Middle East, Europe, Africa, Asia and Latin America support it. Who opposes it? Israel and the US.

Stop your warmongering.

May 24, 2011 at 1:16 pm
(143) Steve says:

Wow, you sure like to throw around international law a lot..This law is i guess attributed to the un. The same un that allows such model countries of civilization as syria, iran, north korea to sit on the human rights commisiion?? please stuart you make my head hurt with your hypocrasy and backing of such a morally bereaved people as the so called “palestinians”.

June 27, 2011 at 4:17 pm
(144) Stuart says:

I subscribe to the basic tenets of international law. The UNHRC, which does some good things and indeed reflects certain hypocrisies, is not part of what we call international law. It is a body that uses international law.

For our purposes, I refer to the UN Charter as a basis for international law. I also point the World Court advisory opinion of 2004 on the legality of the “security wall”.

So, do you agree with the basics of international law? If you reject them, that’s fine. If you think that it’s a pretty good basis for the law, then we agree.

It is inadmissible to acquire territory by war. It is a war crime to transfer your own population to occupied territories. This seems pretty straightforward and reasonable to me. Does it to you?

October 30, 2010 at 7:14 pm
(145) rosalind says:

Jerusalem is the eternal capital of Israel – declared by God and forever established. Tel Aviv is wonderful city , but the best Tel Avivim would totally agree that Jerusalem is the capital!! It will certainly be borne out!

November 5, 2010 at 11:28 pm
(146) Stuart says:

Really, rosalind? Declared by God? In my Old Testament God tells Joshua that land from the Nile to the Euphrates and north to Lebanon and even into Saudi is bequethed to the Jewish people. If you follow that then you will want to go and claim the land that God says is Israel’s.

But that’s not reality, is it. Israel will never claim these lands that your God says is her right to claim. Israel recognises the sovereignty of (most of) these countries. Not only is this land claim ludicrous, it is also fantasy.

You are isolated. Jerusalem Al-Quds will be the capital of both Israel and Palestine. It is the only hope of peace. Do you wish for peace? If you do, you must know that the path of peace is the same road as the path of justice. Without justice there can be no peace. My solution, the world’s solution, is for both Israel’s and Palestinians to live in dignity, prosperity and peace. Your solution brings conflict.

November 29, 2010 at 3:53 am
(147) Ryan Rodrigues says:

Jerusalem is an international capital. It should not be of Palestine and Israel. The world is tired of these two. They should get their act straight before Iran someday has a Mushroom cloud on their land.

December 9, 2010 at 6:07 pm
(148) Tim Kuklinsky says:

A nations capital encompasses many functions. South Africa has three capitals (legislative, judicial, and executive). Bolivia as a constitutional capital (Sucre) and an administrative capital (La Paz). Daly City, California is the de facto capital of the Philippines. For it’s own internal purposes, Israel can have its capital wherever it wants. However, as “place where other countries have their embassies,” other countries can choose not to have an embassy in a place where they don’t want to have one.

January 3, 2011 at 7:53 am
(149) abdul moueed says:

tel aviv is the capital of Israeal not jerusalem.Its final and its the truth.The israelis would say that jerusalem is capital because they want it to be.

January 3, 2011 at 8:06 am
(150) abdul moueed says:

tel aviv is the capital of israeal.Israealis say that jerusalem is their capital because they want it to be.Actually jerusalem is an
area held by israeal by force and it does not belong to israeal.
Its just like that a country invades another country and declares its capital in the invaded land…

January 10, 2011 at 12:53 pm
(151) Dave says:

I have a funny feeling Mr. Rosenberg is not totally unbiased on this… Would you REALLY be that offended if someone said Sydney was Australia’s capitol?

February 3, 2011 at 9:32 pm
(152) Mehran says:

Stating Jerusalem is Israel’s capital is the same as stating Occupied Paris was Nazi Germany’s capital during WWII

May 23, 2011 at 8:26 pm
(153) jed says:

The position put forward by people like zheehod is instructive of why this conflict never ends. Its a position based on deceit, misrepresentation, and just enough truth to give it the appearance of legitimacy.

Anyone who has bothered to understand the history of this area, starting with the 1936 arab uprising, will understand that this is essentially jihad for islamic world conquest. The only significant difference between here and Bosnia, Chechnya, Sudan, Thailand, Europe, etc is that muslims are not making progress.

Even if you ignore the constant terrorism, propaganda, rocket attacks, child suicide bombers from “Palestinians”, and believe everything being said, all it would mean is Israelis did to Palestinians what they tried to do to Jews.

This is an important conflict for people to understand, because its the future of any country that allows significant muslim immigration.

Attempting to reason with such people is futile. They listen to Allah, not you. And what Allah tells them can be found in the Quran – A worldwide islamic caliphate by any means neccessary, including terrorism.

June 8, 2011 at 2:55 am
(154) Nams says:

Jed hats-off !!I like when you say muslims are not making progress. thats right as they are busy spreading/teaching terrorism and muliplying in every possible region and converting people – so they cannot progress.

June 8, 2011 at 2:57 am
(155) Nams says:

Hats off Jed. I support your opinion of muslims not progressing. They will never progress if they dont respect women

August 12, 2011 at 1:30 am
(156) jay says:

There was an answer on Jeopardy about Israelis capital and the question was ďwhat is Jerusalem.ď
Tel Aviv is a short distance from Jerusalem and Ben Gurion airport is between them. It makes sense for countries to have their embassies in Tel Aviv where they have beautiful beaches and great nightlife. Israel owned West Jerusalem prior to the 67 war and could call that its capital too. Anyway the way Israel is growing, Tel Aviv is becoming a suburb of Jerusalem anyway. The capital is Jerusalem and if you want to call it something else, feel free to do it, but don’t force it on me.

August 20, 2011 at 7:43 am
(157) Israeli says:

According to officials in israel state and jews nation. the capital city of israel is “JERUSALEM” the israeli parliament in also in jerusalem.

August 20, 2011 at 7:56 am
(158) Adam says:

Jerusalem is important to jews more then any nation


and in the muslims KURAN it’s doesnt shows the word “jerusalem” eave one time in jewish BIBLE it shows more then 1000 times ….so this is fact jerusalem belongs for years to jews as CAPITAL CITY

August 27, 2011 at 5:39 pm
(159) Stuart says:

Irrelevant, Adam. In Roman histories, Gaul (France) is part of the Roman Empire. In countless writings India belongs to the British Empire. In Greek histories, the Ionian coast (now Turkey) is Greek.

The fact is that the home of one people (the Arabs) was bequethed by a second people (the British) to a third people (the European Jews). Would you be prepared to stand aside if migrants came to your country and said it was theirs by right?

If these ancient books are so just and so true then why not go further? After all, Joshua is told by God that all of the land from the Nile to the Euphrates is His gift to his chosen people.

But that serves the narrow, racist agenda that Arabs are inferior and don’t deserve self-determination. Just ask yourself: do human beings deserve self-determination? Or are you content that millions should live with no rights to choose those who lead them? If so, would you give up the natural human right to choose your political leadership? Or would you fight for it?

January 12, 2012 at 10:35 am
(160) Nick DiBartolo says:

All of you should try reading the Bible. In it God declares Jerusalem as its capital. This is very clear.

January 12, 2012 at 3:05 pm
(161) Francis says:

I think that Jerusalem should be made an international city.

February 1, 2012 at 5:10 pm
(162) ... says:

JERUSALEM IS THE CAPITAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

February 9, 2012 at 1:57 pm
(163) Pete says:

Jerusalem is was, has, is and WILL REMAIN the Capital of a JEWISH STATE OF ISRAEL…… No questions!!!! Get over it, the Arabs lost the War and the Jews regained the capital after MANY years of exile!!!! Jewish culture and Jerusalem can never be divided!!!!

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May 11, 2012 at 1:30 am
(165) GoGirl74 says:


Pete is right, especially when he tells you to GET OVER IT!

July 22, 2012 at 12:32 pm
(166) liran says:

this arrgument is worthless. we live here and jerusalem is OUR capital and will remain so. you can call Paris our capital if you want but it’s still does not change the simple fact that JERUSALEM is the capital of ISRAEL

July 22, 2012 at 7:38 pm
(167) Angela says:

the idiots need to grow up…Israel is a legal country…the Palestinian cry babies have plenty of other areas to live. Live the Jewish community alone…in fact they are open to all groups. I will forever consider Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel. In fact I have always considered Jerusalem as the Capital and never thought of any other place in all of Israel to be the Capital. Those of Islam need to grow up and accept that the Jewish faith existed long before they did…in fact Islam is a splinter group that came from the Jewish faith…at one point they were all one religious belief.

October 4, 2012 at 11:43 pm
(168) Canadian says:

This is a bit ridiculous. If any given country says that a given city is its capital, then that is the end of the story. It does not matter where other countries choose to place their embassies (or not place them).

November 24, 2012 at 8:35 pm
(169) Stuart says:

But, my fellow Canadian, Jerusalem is not even in Israel.

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