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War in Georgia?

By , About.com GuideAugust 8, 2008

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Media outlets are abuzz with news of a war developing in the former Soviet republic of Georgia where Russian and Georgian troops are in fighting over South Ossetia, the majority ethnic-Russian breakaway province in Georgia. It's a rapidly devolving situation on the eve of the Olympic Games that makes it all the more ironic. FP Passport Blog is following the story quite nicely.

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August 9, 2008 at 6:36 am
(1) RaduBurdujan says:

It is the same problem as in Kosovo&Serbia.
There is Serbia whose territory, Kosovo, is populated by Albanians (nation of neighbor country).
There is Georgia whose territory, South Ossetia, is populated by Russians (nation of neighbor country).
So why American government supports the independence of Kosovo, and is against independence of South Ossetia?
It is a double standard policy.
So, if they are pro-Americans, so we support them, even though they are bad. If they are anti-Americans, so we are against them, even though they are good.
I think Kosovo must be Serbian territory, and South Ossetia a Georgian one.

August 10, 2008 at 4:01 pm
(2) Mikhail says:

Georgia tried to clear South Ossetian Republic from South Ossetian people…Genocide in 21 century!

Georgia (at this time – M Saakashvili) attacks his nearest Independent Repablic in third time in the world history. At this time 8 hours before opening of Olympic games. And in the third time in the history Russia tries to save South Ossetian people from total annihilation. But the most important in this situation is how this “event” shown in the most of Europian, American and Chinese mass media. The first report in this mass media wasn’t Georgia attacks South Ossetia and destroyed 8 villages with tanks and heavy weapon, the first report was “Russia attacks Georgia”. This is bull shit. I never can’t even imagine that as authority sources as BBC and CNN will be lie so open and wide.
Here it is the real sequence of events:
The day before opening fire, M.Saakashvili was in the South Ossetia and written the “non-aggression pact”.
Several hours after that (00.00 of 8th august), Georgian troops with heavy weapon, artillery and aircrafts begin the attack on 8 South Ossetian villages and Tshinvali the capitol of this Independent Republic. (I repeat Independent because it’s not a Georgian province or as say in western mass media “Separatist Republic”. South Ossetia and Abkhazia are Independent Republics, that Georgia always (during last 200 years) wanted to join to it’s territory with force.)
In several hours this 8 villages was completely destroyed and almost all civilians was killed there. Just few civilians escaped scatheless. They told that some civilian houses was destroyed with Georgian tanks tracks with live people inside it’s basements.
After that, Georgian troops begins heavy artillery bombardment of the sleeping city Tshinvalli. They used heavy artillery weapon and Rocket systems for the attack on this city without any notice. Most of the civilians died in their own beds. It is this picturies were shown by CNN and BBC next day with comments that Russia attacks Georgia. (direct lie)
After heavy artillery preparation Georgian troops and heavy armors entered the almost destroyed Tshinvali where they begin to kill all alive civilians. (You can see this picture on CNN and BBS it was shown by mistake then Georgian trooper shoot in the unarmed civilian but killed dog and after that Georgian light MCV tried to finish him and shooting in the house).
After Georgian troops entered the city one of their subdivision were direct to the Russian Peacekeepers Headquarter in Tshinvali.
Georgian troops and tanks begin direct fire to the Russian peacekeepers. All Russian MCV were destroyed 10 Peacekeepers were killed. Our troops begins to defend their base and ask for help.
About 150 more Russian Peacekeepers were still alive and fighting to defend their lives.
All the day Georgian Aircrafts and artillery were systematic destroying the city and civilians.
About 03:00 GMT (7:00 Moscow time) Russia asked for immediate meeting of United Nations Security Council, which has been ended without any result (As said one of the member “it’s too late, they can’t do anything because just wanted to sleep”) while South Ossetian people were dieing in the basements of their own homes.
And only after that Russian Army had to enter Republic of South Ossetia (Not Georgia).
And only this were shown in Europian and American mass media.
Georgian aircrafts continue attacks on city, villages and Russian Airforce had to destroy several flight strips in Georgia to prevent this flights.

Ask yourself what Georgian troops do in the civilian city Tshinvali?
Ask yourself then M.Saakashvili said the truth during last 2 years? All his politics is pure lie.
Ask yourself why he didn’t want to sign any legal peace convention with South Ossetia?
Ask yourself why all this facts were shown inverse for you?
Ask yourself why Europian and American mass media didn’t show you the real begin of this genocide?
Ask yourself Why Europian flag is behind M.Saakashvili?
Ask yourself Why he interrupted broadcast of Russian channels in his republic, is this Democracy?
Ask yourself Why Georgian television shows South Ossetian civilians killed by his troops and say that it is killed Georgian civilians?

Now Imagine yourself that Russian forces in this region is 10 times more then whole Georgian army and if Russian forces really wanted to enter the Georgia it will be destroyed in 4-5 hours. And if there are a little brain in your head you will understand that we just triing to save peace in this region we triing to save small South Ossetian people from total annihilation. 2000 South Ossetian are already dead!! Can u understand this ? Dead! Killed in their own homes while sleeping just right before the beginning of the Olympic games. Georgian troops and artillery contine to attack at this time. They shooting the road with red cross cars. All the claims of Georgia about peace is bullshit. They just triing to kill as many Ossetians as they can.

I can say only one thing. Almost all that shown on BBC and CNN is “inverse true”. I don’t know why this happens, but this fact excite me very much. There are no more Soviet Union with it’s communist party. There is Russia now. And if you look at the map you will understand that we have enough territory. The only aggressive country in the world is unfortunately USA now. USA instructors have been training Georgian troops last 2 year. They trained them well to kill civilians. Good job… We are democracy country now…and we elect our president and government not to begin a war!

For whole Russian history (Not USSR) Russia NEVER declair war first. We were always defend our territory. From the several turkey wars then they tried to capture our south prvinces 300 years ago, after that from Napoleon army then we save whole Europe from his aggression, after that from Japanese army which tried to capture our Eastern region, then from Hitler I hope you know who is Hitler… think about this. And think deep hard about what news you see… truth or lie.
But remember one thing Russia never wanted and never will want a war .

August 10, 2008 at 4:06 pm
(3) Mikhail says:

There is not absolutly same problam as kosovo. please be smarter read history of this region first! During last 200 years Georgans triied to destroy South Ossetian people and join it’s territory to his own. and all this time we triing to save this small people – which garantee peace in whole Caucasus. South ossetia is not the Georgian province as said in your news. it’s independent republic! read history don’t belive in television so hard as you do.

August 11, 2008 at 1:09 am
(4) Kenneth Crook says:

Whether South Ossetia is a separate republic or part of Georgia is not the point.
What is Georgia’s president smoking to start a war with Russia?

August 11, 2008 at 6:20 am
(5) Tet says:

Mikhail says: ….For whole Russian history (Not USSR) Russia NEVER declair war first. We were always defend our territory….”

This is not true… the Cossacks invaded central Asia, Siberia and part of western China and Northeastern China, annexing large areas from China (Qing dynasty) in the past.

August 11, 2008 at 11:24 am
(6) Can't believe it says:

First I agree with Kenneth. Who in their right mind would start a war with Russia? Lets look at some facts: Georgia has one of the largest pipelines in the area. 2. Greedy President and 3. Arrogant enough to think ole Valdimere won’t pay attention. The world stage is so volitile that good ole Vlad has other worries with Afganistan and Iran pulling pranks. If you are thinking that Vlad would stand by while Georgia takes 100% ownership of the pipeline which carries oil out of Russia, think again. Vladimere may be occupied, but he has eyes in the back of his head. Now Georgia is screaming for the US to help. Why? Because their alligator actions overloaded their tweety bird butts and started something they absolutely cannot finish without killing their own people. If you create a war, people have purpose, no war they focus on what the President isn’t doing. Much like the US. Hmm history does repeat itself and we’ve lived to see it. I’ll be damn.

August 11, 2008 at 11:26 am
(7) RaduBurdujan says:

Would you like to divide the map after national states, like in Middle Ages?
One Nation = One State
How many states would be Russia divided into? I do not speak about the USA.
If one nation from Russia would say “We want independence!!!”, or all American Latinos would say “We want independence, New Mexico (or New Spain) was ours sometime!!!” I want to see what the governments would say :) )

August 11, 2008 at 9:15 pm
(8) anda says:

1.Mikhail my friend – one word for you Afganistan – and then we’ll talk about Russia’s defensive wars.Just check who was Hitler’s best friend and where did his soldiers train before they started the second world war –
Please try as a meditation and study theme finding out about the endless deportations of CIVILIANS from Eastern Europe – no need to punish children and women unless you are a barbarian – as a state you are in a worse condition than Germany who fully acknowledged the fault and paid back.
That’s why your fellow citizens lack dignity -as a whole you are acomplices to a crime – when you support your government you support a long history of crimes – nobody but nobody in Rusia ever acknowleged these crimes.
Try also Joseph Brodsky – the essayes – where without a blink he writes about the china teacups and the kimonos his father brought a war loot from Japan – it’s an amazing paragraph – where one realizes that he really believes his father was entitled to stealing from other people’s houses.
It seems that there has always been one big drunk bully in Eastern Europe terrorizing the neighborhood countries and unable of providing a decent life to its own citizens.
Once in a while you need a war to justify the Kremlin autocrats.

Still I must admit that the leading story is the one heard from Russians about how much Soviet union aka Rusia helped the ungrateful countries in Eastern Europe – that’s why everybody loves you sooo much there.
Now to the point –
Gruzia and Armenia try desperately to join Europe – thus meaning 2 major advantages
1.the lack of conflict – The European Community succesfully atempted to ease all the past conflicts inside its borders and
2. a decent life for its citizens.
My friend all of the above and other dry statistical data prove that Russia never ever had these goals among its policies – on the contrary endless conflicts and a pitiful lawlless life for its citizens.
If you are so great and so good why all Eastern European countries ran desperately to join the European Union?
3.When will your country pay for the crimes commited in Eastern Europe?

August 15, 2008 at 10:24 am
(9) Nes says:

So We also want to say to all of you the things related to politics you
hear on every day and every hour about Georgia (Soviet Socialistic
Republic of Georgia in past as a part of friendly folks of USSR). Know
that Russia never been an aggressor, we guess that most of you know
history good and of course better than Bush to think Russians could
attack mode of crazy Georgian president Saakashvili instead of his
frenzy state of mind. All you heard on your TV is lie and if they tried
to show you and make you think that Russians are enemies know for sure
it’s not truth. Modern America inspired politics is a place for politricks.
We decided to dedicate this exhibition on four best genes selected for
preservation we ever grew and knew about – these are kandahar, black
mountain afgan mini, kush and thai. They all are pure and native. In the
face of coming hard times we try to save the Seed.
We’ll upload descriptions on native plants some time after. Wait a
little bit please. And thank you.

August 15, 2008 at 11:04 am
(10) Nastya says:

The truth about South Ossetia War by a russian man who is living in US now http://youtube.com/watch?v=KtOlmWeKWng&NR=1
Fox News is telling the truth about Georgians government without a wish http://youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ

September 10, 2008 at 2:26 pm
(11) lamborghini says:

this website ever gives alot of information .you have to work on that

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