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Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan in Asia or Europe?

By June 6, 2006

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I was asked today why I list Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan as Asian countries while some other websites list them as European countries. My answer was as follows... "There’s no official definition of the boundary between Asia and Europe (nor between any continent for that matter) so the boundaries are merely traditional. The Caucasus Mountains have traditionally divided the two continents and these three countries are to the south of that boundary. I also feel that it is more appropriate to place these countries in Asia because all of Turkey east of Istanbul is customarily considered Asia and certainly their neighbor to the south, Iran, is an Asian country." What do you think? Click "comments" below!

Comments

June 6, 2006 at 11:37 pm
(1) Natig says:

Well, actually Europe does extend eastward farther than Turkey — the eastern border of Europe is the Urals mountains. And yes, the Southern border is in Caucasus. However, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Armenia do fall below Caucasus. A big part of the Caucasus mountains actually overlaps the territories of these countries. So it is not quite correct to put them in Asia, although certain parts of these countries do fall in Asia. Why can’t we just say that these countries are both in Asia and Europe, which would be the factually correct thing to say (see CIA Factbook, etc.)?

June 7, 2006 at 12:07 am
(2) carpetblogger says:

Consider it culturally. The only people who think Azerbaijan is European have been to Azerbaijan — or Europe.

October 29, 2011 at 4:04 am
(3) Guest Account says:

Not really. My friend is Armenian and think’s its a disgrace being Asian so she says she’s European while another one of my Armenian friend utters that Armenia is in Asia. So either way, it’s one or the other.

June 7, 2006 at 1:32 am
(4) Vartan Mamigonian says:

Turkey does not belong in Europe until it acknowledges the Armenian Genocide. The USA does not belong in Europe since it’s CIA WEBSITE fails to mention the Armenian genocide. Imagine the history of the Jews without mentioning anti-semitism or the Holocaust!

July 23, 2011 at 2:11 am
(5) Kasper says:

You idiot, we’re talking geography here, not politics. USA is not in Europe because it’s in North America. Aknowledgement of some genocide is not gonna suddenly shift the tectonic plates to move the US to Europe.

July 31, 2011 at 3:28 am
(6) Vusal says:

He is simply an armenian :)

August 7, 2011 at 6:52 pm
(7) Kasper2 says:

Kasper, are you so smart to call others idiots?

November 4, 2011 at 4:43 pm
(8) Armenian says:

You claim talking geography, not politics (genocide is not politics, it’s killing innocent people who have the same shape and substance as you). You, have no right to show your disrespect to that “some genocide”… Acknowledgement of that “some genocide” as you disgracefully mention, may shift your “geographically” and historically senseless attitude towards …..

June 7, 2006 at 9:11 am
(9) Aris says:

As you said there is no clear geografical definition,These 3 countries are considered European because of their religion(Armenia & Georgia)culture,and their sociopolitical situation,they are members of the council of Europe,they have intentions to join NATO and EU in the future(far future)which their asian neighbours lack…

June 7, 2006 at 4:28 pm
(10) Noel says:

Yes, in recent history Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan have been included in Europe. I think the Arax river can be the southern border between Europe and Asia.

June 7, 2006 at 5:44 pm
(11) Jim says:

Israel imagines itself as part of Europe and wants to join the EU.

June 7, 2006 at 8:21 pm
(12) Tigran says:

As much as I know there is a north south dividing line between asia and europe. It is extending down along Uralyan mountains in russia to northern tip of Caspian and down along western edge of Caspian sea. Thus, Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan fall into europe.

June 8, 2006 at 11:15 am
(13) Hye says:

I am Armenian (hye). Armenians are Asians not Europeans. Armenia is completely below the Caucus mountain range. Therefore, it is in Asia. It is quite correct to put Armenia in Asia. Naxcivan, a piece of Azerbaijan is also in Asia. I am Armenian, I am Asian and I am not European! Amenian has been building more ties with its Asian neighbors in Iran and some arab countries much more than European ones (I can only think of France.)

April 3, 2011 at 6:25 am
(14) kevin says:

your not asian lol, asians are the central asians to japan, like pakistan afhanistan threw to japan north to kazackistan are asians, armenians are european because of our language which is INDO EUROPEAN our ties are only strong with israel and iran in the middle east armenians have strong ties with greece and france i am armenian i get called cracker at school because i look american holidays religon are mostly european except out couisine. geographyicaly georgia and azerbaijan are europe and asia and armenia fully asia but no asian culture armenia 90% european culture azerbaijan 10% and georgia 70% european

April 3, 2011 at 4:02 pm
(15) Mehran says:

The declaration that Armenians are European on the basis of their language group (indo-european) is flawed.

Both the Iranian languages (including persian and kurdish) and the languages of the Indian subcontinent are also indo-european languages. Does that make the indians europeans? I think not.

By your definition, Maltese people are not european. Maltese people speak a language descending from arabic, a semetic language. However they are not Arabs in the strictest sense, and as members of the EU, are definitely European.

April 15, 2011 at 4:39 pm
(16) Ina says:

I am sorry dear! I am Armenian too. But you are mistaken. We are not an Asian country. What are you talking about? Read our history and do not say such things never! It is a shame to say such a sentence. We are Asian dear, read history, open th map. I am so sorry that an Armenian guy or girl may say that we are Asia. May be we are not Europe as well but not Asia, This is for sure! 100% Incredible!

May 15, 2011 at 10:52 am
(17) ilya says:

why not to ask europeans (like french or german people) if they think that your culture is so “european” as you think.. it could be quite surprising for you, that europeans (in most cases) will fail to recognize even russian culture as part of the european culture.. I think for most of the actual europeans the boundary of the europe lays somewhere around poland or something (in best case). So, forget about your alleged similarity to these people. Be proud of yourself with your own armenian culture. ;)

June 8, 2006 at 12:49 pm
(18) Tiko says:

ALthough territorially Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia fall into Asia, the culture and life style of countries, especially in Armenia and Gerogia is more European thus this region should be considered as Europe.

June 9, 2006 at 2:39 am
(19) Kenneth Wayne says:

Most geographers also list the Ural Mountains as a dividing line between Europe and Asia. Eventually this subcontinent, Europe, may be lumped with Asia as Eurasia.

June 9, 2006 at 3:16 am
(20) monika says:

Georia and Armenia border Turkey on it’s Eastern/Asian side, Azerbaijan is even more East. What’s the problem with considering these countries Asian countries then, geographically? Cultural ties are not the matter in this destinction at all. Sometimes there seems to be an underlying notion of considering the European culture (whatever that is) superior to the Asian culture (whatever that is) and thus want these states to belog to Europe. That’s incorrect in many ways.
Australia is not a European country just because the people there speak a handsome English accent ;-) .

June 9, 2006 at 4:32 am
(21) snjezana says:

Every geographer in Europa know and learn the others in the school:geographical border between Europa and Asia are: Ural mountains, river Ural, north coast of Caspian Sea(small part), valley of rivers Kuma and Manic and then to Azov, Kerc and Black Sea. Europa includes only small part of Turkey on the north side of Bospor and Dardaneli (area of 19 127 km2)

May 28, 2011 at 3:48 pm
(22) willl says:

It’s Europe, ok.

June 9, 2006 at 10:19 am
(23) Scott says:

I seem to recall the region being called Asia Minor. It draws its cultural influences from both Europe and Asia.

June 9, 2006 at 11:49 am
(24) Marz says:

It dosn’t matter because its obvious that Europe and Asia are both part of one continent of Eurasia. Anybody who tries to argue against this is illogical as a continent is a massive landmass surrounded by water. This means that North America, South America, Australia, Africa, Antarctica, Australia and Eurasia are the seven continents of the world. dosn’t that answer everything?

May 14, 2011 at 7:29 pm
(25) Chris says:

Just to be picky:

North America is NOT surrounded by water (and neither are South America or Africa) unless you count the man made Panama and Suez canals. Oh – and you counted Australia (Australasia?!) twice.

There are therefore 4 continents; The Americas, Antarctica, Australasia and Afroeurasia………

May 15, 2011 at 9:44 am
(26) Eddy says:

Eurasia is just the continental plate which is something different from a continent…

June 7, 2011 at 5:05 pm
(27) Luso says:

Yes it does! Completely.

June 9, 2006 at 4:00 pm
(28) marie-alice says:

The boundaries between Europe and Asia are formed by the highest peaks of the Ural and of the Kaukasian Mountains, and by the Black Sea, Bosporus, Marmora Sea, Bosporus and Egeian Sea (I hope I spell these names as you do, so you may understand what I mean :) ) This is how we learn it in Belgium.

Marie Alice, Belgian geographer
(Europe!)
:)

June 9, 2006 at 4:42 pm
(29) edfs says:

I think culture makes the distinction.However,with massive migration of East and Mideast(Arabs)to the West,and the slowness or resistance to assimilate,who knows? The future may be one mix everything-maybe we are all destined to be one society,many languages and socialism for all.I hope I’m wrong.

June 10, 2006 at 12:05 am
(30) Ned says:

I don’t concider Armenia, Azerbaijan, or Georgia a part of either Europe or Asia. They are Middle-Eastern in geography and culture. The Eurasian landmass is a general/simple discription, but not an accurate one as I see it. Any nation in the region, including those with the suffex “-stan”, which is arabic for “Land of”, should be, by definition, labeled Middle-Eastern. Not Eurasian, or European, or Asian. Granted Turkey may own a small piece of Europe but that doesn’t mean it’s part of Europe. It just means they have control over the Bosperus and the Dardenelles; strategic inlets to the Black Sea which is, insidentally, what makes Turkey so important to Europe in general.

June 10, 2006 at 9:11 am
(31) Javier Matta says:

Difficult to consider them Europeans. But, at the very end Europeans are etnically Caucausians, and those countries are certainly Caucasians. So, if they are not European, why European people are Caucasians.
Why better ask Noah!!!

March 22, 2011 at 7:32 pm
(32) Elle says:

I totally agree with your comment. If those countries are not European, then why All Europeans are Caucasians ethnically? It makes a sense:)

October 6, 2011 at 11:12 pm
(33) Tyto says:

List of peoples that are Caucasian:
Persians, Armenians, Indians, Beduins (Arabs), Afghans, Turks, Berbers etc, not to mentions the peoples of Europe (Slavic, Iberian, Germanic, Greek, Celtic etc).
So if racial ethnicity determines where Europe is, then we can safely include the following countries to be European: Iran, Iraq, Syria, Israel, Arabia, Qatar, Yemen, Oman, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan ETC.

June 10, 2006 at 9:50 am
(34) George Papadopoulos says:

I agree with your opinion.Also i believe that Turkey belongs in Asia , like Cyprus.

May 15, 2011 at 4:40 am
(35) ellie says:

turkey does not belong to europe, look at their language , their culture and religion, it is all more asian than european,

June 10, 2006 at 5:18 pm
(36) Mike Sellers says:

I have always understood that the Ural mountain divides Europe from Aisa and the Caucasus Mountains south and the Black Sea south. These are the facts without the emotions. It matters not where one prefers to be called, these are the division lines.

June 10, 2006 at 6:18 pm
(37) Peter says:

I see that Marz said it first so I’ll simply agree with what he said (except for his counting Australia twice.) There’s no point in solving a matter when the underlying premise was wrong in the first place (and has been for ages.)

June 11, 2006 at 7:43 pm
(38) Basilio says:

There is no question Armenia is a European. To the jokers who claim Armenia is Asian it is just a stunt. Armenia’s religion is Christian, its people are white, its culture is definitively European, it is a democratic country where an individual (men, women, and children) has self worth. Unlike the neighboring countries that have no concept of this but are desperately trying to become members of the EU for political & monetary gain. Armenia is part of the Council of Europe and one day will become part of the EU because it truly is EUROPEAN!

June 12, 2006 at 11:40 am
(39) Natalie says:

Well I think Armenia is a part of the Eastern Europe branch or Indo-Europe family. Russians are not compeletly Europeans, but they are lighter than people in Europe, the same with Armenians & Armenian’s enthnicity is White/Caucasians & so are all of Europeans, so this shows that they belong into the European family. They look nothing like the Middle Eastern people & nothing like Asian people & their cultures are COMPLETELY different & also their language is a part of the Indo-european branch, so how can you make Armenia either from Middle East or Asia.

June 12, 2006 at 11:56 am
(40) Natalie says:

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/eu.htm

try visiting this site the World Atlas it considers Armenia a part of Europe not even Eurasia. Problem solved!!!

April 23, 2011 at 2:58 pm
(41) Tigran says:

You must be stupid to believe worldatlas website… They list uzbekistan tajikistan and other central asian countries as “middle east”… By the way real name of armenia is HAYASTAN and religion doesnt make up geogrophy…
Forthermore, anyone here who says Armenian culture is European is an idiot and has never been to Hayastan, or they are an armenian who hates islam and islamic culture so they dont want to be linked to middle east even though armenian culture is middle eastern and has been slightly europeanized by russians due to soviet times!

June 2, 2011 at 7:22 pm
(42) ed says:

While I wouldn’t be so harsh, thank you for finally stating the truth behind this debate. I don’t see what is so wrong with being Armenian or middle-eastern, the food is good, though not at all European, same for the culture, and yes, I have been there and to many other true European countries. Just accept the fact that it is a country in the middle east! There is nothing wrong with that.

November 4, 2011 at 4:55 pm
(43) Smile says:

Tigran jan, I am Armenian and have lived in Armenian almost all my life… It seems YOU ARE not Armenian and have never either studied Armenian history, Art or Culture from ancient times to modern days. Do not judge Armenia by some eastern bazars or something of the kind…

June 13, 2006 at 10:06 pm
(44) Alex says:

All three countries are in Asia, and the Christianity of Georgia and Armenia do not alter their geography. There are millions of Christians in the Arab world, and that does not place Syria or Lebanon in Europe. It simply reflrects the fact that Christianity originated in Asia. The much favored solution is adoption of Eurasia as a standard continent.

June 15, 2006 at 1:36 am
(45) Steve Conrad says:

If we are to define the location (continent) of a country by culture we would certainly have more than seven. Realize that Israel, India, Mongolia and a good part of Russia are in Asia. Where is the common culture in that? I also agree that to make Eurasia into two continents doesn’t make nuch sense.

June 15, 2006 at 9:30 pm
(46) theo says:

the issue above is not cultural and has nothing to do with the people who live on it. otherwise, one could make arguments that the united states is european because a vast majority of its people are of european ancestry.

rather the issue is geographic. Does europe’s continental boundary extend as far down as the araxes river?

If one answers yes, they must explain why. Why does europe extend up to the araxes river, and not further south to incorporate lake van and lake urmiah, both freshwater lakes that are part of the armenian plateau?

If one answers no, they must explain why the continent of europe’s lines are demarcated at the northern tip of the caucasus mountain range, north of georgia or europe?

Same form of logical argument should apply to anywhere in between.

Personally, it seems the line demarcation between: where europe ends and asia begins is arbitrary and capricious. the bosphorous demarcating the european and asian parts of turkey is a matter of convenience as a body of water separates these areas, whereas no body water does so at the caucasian continental level.

my question ultimately is what are the plate tectonics on this region?

June 15, 2006 at 9:37 pm
(47) Matt Rosenberg says:

Theo, the problem with tectonic plates is that there is a single Eurasian plate that connects the region from the mid-Atlantic to Japan. So, perhaps we only have one continent in the region – Eurasia.

June 17, 2006 at 9:17 pm
(48) theo says:

Matt, you are probably right.

June 19, 2006 at 12:10 pm
(49) Michael Kucewicz says:

Request map of Poland between 1919-1939,
before eastern Poland(town of Kovel)was
incorporated into Ukraine

August 2, 2006 at 3:31 pm
(50) gio says:

I grew up in Georgia and, unlike some people on this forum that may not even know where the country is, i’ve never heard that Georgia is in Asia. The border is located in Turkey and since Georgia is north of Turkey it should be condsidered Europe. Same Applies to Armenia since both Georgia and Armenia are North of Turkey. Everything East of Turkey is asia including the muslim country of Azerbaidjen.

March 22, 2011 at 7:35 pm
(51) Elle says:

Dear gio,

Being Muslim doesn’t mean that the country belongs to the East or something that. There are millions of Albanians and Bosnians which doesn’t make them Non-European because of being Muslim.

March 27, 2011 at 1:44 pm
(52) A says:

You personally invented this?

August 2, 2006 at 3:40 pm
(53) gio says:

Alex and Steve Conrad…stop showing your ignorance…you probably have never left your zipcode. What does India, Mongolia, and Lebanon have to do with Georgia or Armenia. Have you been to either Asia or Europe? Georgia has always been Europe.

January 12, 2007 at 8:23 pm
(54) Tamara says:

I’m acually Armenian, and i think that the border with these three countries in it is Eurasia, because i heard that theres no official border that marks this area. And one of my teachers told me it was Eurasia, which means in between Europe, and Asia.

March 4, 2007 at 6:46 am
(55) Humanophage says:

Armenians and Georgians are similiar to the ancient inhabitants of Asia Minor, like the Assyrians. While their states are certainly closer to Europe than most other Asian countries, they still remain purely Asian. As for Azerbaijan, it doesn’t have any ties to Europe whatsoever.

Until the emergence of the EU as sort of a monopolist on European identity, Armenia, Georgia, Turkey and Azerbaijan have always been listed in various atlases as Asian countries. It is understandable that the Georgians and especially Armenians want to distance themselves from their hated neighbours, but they should understand that being Asian doesn’t necessarily mean being uncivilized – take a look at Japan or Korea, for instance.

August 14, 2011 at 3:00 am
(56) dea says:

Japan or Korea are located in east asia and have nothing to do with georgia or armenia and both georgia and armenia are euroasian countries

April 24, 2007 at 7:06 am
(57) Spandana says:

Aaargh!..I’m trying to do this project on all the asian countries and is armenia and georgia really in europe like half the sites say in google?…i mean really , i would consider it more asian.Even though it does have christians it’s more attached to the asian countris around.And anyway i kinda HAVE to finish this project fast and i’m right now just wasting my time blabbing away.:D!.Still , maybe i’ll just add it in asia and if anyone thinks it’s not in asia , try and stop me.:P:P!!..oh and FAST!

May 15, 2007 at 8:52 am
(58) Xander says:

Something is missing in all these analysis.

Yes today’s Armenia may be geographically european given the criteria of the Caucasus mountains

But its culture has been developping for 3 millenia in a bigger region, englobing today’s Armenia, East of Turkey, North of Syria, North of Iran and West of Azerbaidjan.

What I am saying is that today’s Armenia culture is the consequence of the cultural developpement of successive Armenian states that were localised in a more large geographical area (North Iran, North Syria, Armenia, East of Turkey, West of Azerbaidjan), and some of these places are within Asia. So Armenian national indentity and culture also developped within Asia.

July 17, 2007 at 7:15 pm
(59) jalil says:

hi i am from Armenia and i think it belongs to Asia. i think most people think it belongs to europe because it used to be in the soviet union and it is near the west of russia so people think it belongs in europe. i also think that it should be in the middle east because its culture is closest to iran

July 19, 2007 at 4:45 am
(60) Liana says:

Hi ,im from Armenia , I think Armenia and Georgia are part of Europe , because of Religion and social-political ties with rest of the European countries as well as cultures and ways , Azerbajan and Turkey should be considered Asians ….

July 19, 2007 at 5:33 pm
(61) arsene lupin says:

to call Turkey asia minor is part of 18th century world views ,Armenia,Georgia,Azerbajain,Iran
parts of Pakistan,India,Afghanistan and even China, carry the DNA markers of the people that populated Europe, they are non-semitic, call them caucasian? aryan? etc, same DNA, their religions are a bit different mostly Muslim and that is not a Asian Religion or for that matter neither is Hebrew, Asia in My humble opinion would be from the afghan and Indian estern frontiers and would incle Burma,Thailand Singapore,Malaia,Japan,Chinas, and parts of Russia so trhere are asiatic DNA peoples west of the Indian estern border and there are European? DNA inside China and Japan proper(The AINU)

July 28, 2007 at 1:09 am
(62) Andreasov says:

I consider Georgia Armenia and Azerbaijan as a part of Europe although Azerbaijani culture are more Asian. Their language is Turkic which was derived from Mongolian which is obviously Asian. It depends on cultural vs geographical location. Culturally Georgia and Armenia is European or semi-European. Armenian language is Indo-European and recent studies has placed it into a Greko-Armeno-Arian language group which connects Armenian and Greek. Although Georgian is not a Indo-European language, it’s culture and people are definitely European.

March 27, 2011 at 1:50 pm
(63) A says:

Have you been to Azerbaijan? Definitely, no. Why then you try to talk about things that you do not know? You do not know what is Azerbaijan. How it looks? Which cultural ties it has? And you talk about this.
Azerbaijan is more European than Georgia and armenia.

April 16, 2011 at 2:36 pm
(64) Arm says:

Hehe!!
Azerbaijan is typic middle eastern sultanate country where son gets the heritage the country from his father! Anlike Armenia and Georgia!

November 4, 2011 at 5:08 pm
(65) :) says:

Modern looks of a country are not a reason to locate it into Europe or Asia or wherever…. There was even no such state as Azerbaijan until the 20th century, so if one knows at least verryyyy verrryyyyyy little history and geography, doesn’t have to be in Armenia, Georgia or Azerbaijan to define what is what… By the way, no need to suffer from inferiority complex…. Being European doesn’t mean more civilized and being Asian doesn’t necessarily mean savage and barbaric.

August 28, 2007 at 7:50 am
(66) Ila Sohlo says:

Since the water divider of the Caucasian mountains leaves a small part of Azerbaijan and Georgia technically in Europe, these countries should be considered European countries. Since a part of Turkey is also in Europe, it is also a European country. For the benefit of clarity, Armenia being situated between Azerbaijan and Georgia, it too should be considred a European country. However, this does not take away the fact that all of these countries are also – technically as well as for several other reasons – Asian, they can also be considered to be Asian countries. Just as Russia and Kazakhstan are also both European and Asian in nature and by geography.

November 12, 2007 at 5:53 pm
(67) jack the ripper says:

armenia and georgia are definitely in europe. turkey is not. turks and azeris are from ancient mesopatemia. they gained land by moving north. armenia had an empire all through out the middle east like greece but were both ethnic europeans.

December 22, 2007 at 6:25 pm
(68) Josef says:

Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan are at crossroads where Europe meets Asia.
If we consider Caucasian mountains as the actual border, then only small part of Georgia and small part of Azerbaijan will be in europe, rest of the land will be in Asia.
If we in fact move the border by Araz / Arax river, then borders with turkey and Iran will be European-Asian borders.
Region of Caucasus is in between and therefore can be considered both European and Asian.
If considering Georgia and Armenia in europe like some writers did, then Azerbaijan must be in Europe as well as it lies on the same vicinity.
Those three countries are truly EuroAsian as part of its territory lies in each continent. The only other country that comes to my mind is turkey which has 3% in Europe and rest in Asia.

January 11, 2008 at 10:04 pm
(69) Gregory says:

Well… First of all, the biggest mistake we are making is to consider Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan as members of one and the same group because with their traditions and even religion they are totally different from each other. From those three countries, Georgia is the most European whereas Azerbaijan is strictly asiatic. Armenia stands somewhere in the midle but still… Most geographers would take Ural Mountain as a border between Asia and Europe but in most cases they would include these three nations in Europe. I have personally visited all three countries and would say that Georgia really belongs to Europe with its oldest wine, christian church, dances & songs and overall culture. But I am not that sure abour Azerbaijan and Armenia. I think these two should be forming Eurasia together.

January 26, 2008 at 5:23 pm
(70) artur says:

hi i’m from armenia, and i think armenia and georgia should be considered as a europen contrey because in old maps it would be show’n in europe and because of are religions and culture.Also azerbaijan and turkey should be considered as asians.

January 27, 2008 at 3:04 pm
(71) David says:

I defiantly agree what Gregory says!!!
From those three countries GEORGIA is the most european! It’s long history culture and traditions prove that it’s completely European!!! Moreover, as archeological excavations discovered the most ancient human skull out of Africa was founded in Georgia!!!
So it’s coming up that Europeans come from Georgia and it truely deserves to be part of Europe!

Armenia is semi european, but Azerbaijan is completly asian! even culture, traditions, life style and stuff are so much asian!!!!

Georgia doesn’t have any similarity with Azerbaijan or Armenia! For me Georgia looks like Ukraine, Moldova and other European Countries!!! BTW Georgia is kinda more developed than Moldova, Belarus and etc. As ethnography proves real Georgian man is white with bright hair and green eyes which is completly European!

February 2, 2008 at 5:18 pm
(72) clayton says:

armenia is in europe NOT ASIA! armenians are white and a lot have blonde hair, blue and green eyes. that is something georgians do not have. georgia should have the land below because they and azerbaijan are asian. armenia is located on the european border. the entire country is on the caucasian mountains. azerbaijan are just nomadic turks. georgians are asian. armenians are white european. THEY speak a european language

February 5, 2008 at 5:53 am
(73) Adam says:

Armenia, azerbaijan and georgia are european culturally, politically and geographically. It is important not to make comparisons of europe of today as it’s cultures are dying along with others around the world.

The southern caucasus have never been assimilated by middle eastern culture and if anything the mountainous nature of that area’s geography make it isolated both to europe and asia culturally. Also, the north is more muslim and less christian than south of the mountains. In relation to this many stupid geographers assign the north to europe alone.

Turkey is also a European nation as it has been strongly involved and orientated to the north over the centuries. It is important to note that Turkey and Azerbaijan preach a secular Islam as opposed to other muslim nations.

The caucasus were initially part of Byzantium,and later Ottoman and Russian empires throughout the modern era.

February 14, 2008 at 12:22 pm
(74) P. Solkaiv says:

From a strictly geographical standpoint, this map shows how the Caucasus/Urals cut across countries: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TransAsia.PNG

February 20, 2008 at 12:50 am
(75) Emil R. Pernsteiner says:

What’s the big deal? The major part of Russia is in Asia, yet it is considered a European country. Part of Kazakhstan is in Europe, yet it is clearly an Asian country. There obviously is no correct answer other than by definition. And then it becomes “whose definition.”

March 20, 2008 at 7:53 pm
(76) tantig khatchadourian says:

i guess its in ASIA or its Eurasia like Russia

March 24, 2008 at 9:40 pm
(77) maria says:

Emil hit the nail on the head. There is always going to be a debate about these countries because there is no definition to the border of a continent. However, to be fair, the countires should be defined geographically, NOT culturally. After all, kenya and egypt have very differnt cultures just like iraq and japan do. Countries can share a continent without sharing much culture.
I would look at a map and say asia by logic…

October 22, 2011 at 11:18 pm
(78) Joanna says:

So clearly put… makes the most sense. Thumbs up!

March 26, 2008 at 7:19 am
(79) Mori says:

We can’t use culture for defining border of continetns. Because there is no a single and unique culture all around the Europe or Asia or any other continent. So, is it practical to define border of a continent based on culture?
It is not logic to define continents by language of its inhabitants. Because Farsi is an Indo-european language, but there is no Farsi-speaking country in Europe.
Geography can define continents better. But during this definition we should give political or ethic factors away. Geographically, how we can consider Azerbaijan as an Asian country while considering Armenia, a small island within Azerbaijan, as an European one?! I mean both of them should be either Asian or European.

March 26, 2008 at 9:50 pm
(80) Hadji says:

Undoubtedly Armenia is an Asian country. Armenians have nothing to do with Europe. If people insist that Armenia belong to Europe because armenians are christians as most europeans, is the same to say that Muslim Bosnia or Kosovo belong to Asia. If some people deny that Armenia belong to Asia, they are also denying the historical, geographical and traditional patrimony of Armenia. Asia is the best continent for me!!!!Armenians must be proud to be ASIANS!!!!!

November 4, 2011 at 8:30 am
(81) Sima says:

Hadji I totally agrée with you!!
We Cannot say that a country is European just because
It is christian !! This is totally wrong!!
I’m sooooo choked to see people trying to proove
That Armenian is totally European and white and Christian
It’s just like if you were ashamed of being Asian!
Asia is rich in cultures and religions you can find Christians
Muslims bouddhists etc different races etc
I live in Europe in France and I have armenian origins
My armenian culture is really different from my european culture
Our food, music,etc
By the way my armenian is very dark skinned with dark eyes and hair they look much like Arabs or afghan than French people!!
And the person who said. That lots of armenian were blond with blue eyes : I don’t know if we are talking about the same Armenians coz around me they really are NOT blond people !!
It exists but it’s not majority
I really think that you guys are ashamed of what you really are !! You wanna be that “white blond blue eyes european person” but everyone knows you are not
Come on accept what you are !! Damn!
How come turkey which is situated in western armenia isn’t European and Armenia is?
So Australia is European because the people are in majority white and Christians? and those Indians who are christian are also European but their Muslim or Hindu brothers aren’t?!
Its Bullshit im sorry :)
Armenia is ASIAN so as it’s neighbors turkey azerbaijan Iran Syria etc
Have you ever been in Libanon or in Syria? It’s amazing to see how They look like armenians … They are many there and we cannot even recognize who is who !
I was just saying:) ;) ……………………………………………

March 30, 2008 at 12:36 am
(82) ZURIKO says:

Who sed whear is europe and asia border? your thicher of geography ? scientists? all this is BS. Caucasians are Caucasians and this is a croas road europe-asia and one of oldest cultural centr in the world. Europeans –are you caucasians or not??? OR You came from africa???

April 1, 2008 at 8:45 pm
(83) Busse says:

Sorry Hadji. We Armenians take pride in being Europeans and white. We are not Asians! screw that.

April 5, 2008 at 9:00 pm
(84) hadji says:

Dear Busse,
Being white or black has nothing to do with the pertenence to any continent. Being European is not being superior to any other race from other continents as many Europeans feel. So why Armenians, Georgians, Turks and also Azeris insist being Europeans? They are denying their historical, cultural and also natural heritages. The geographical evidence is unquestionable: every territory laying below the Caucasus Mountains, is Asia. There´s nothing else to add.

April 12, 2008 at 11:21 pm
(85) Andrew says:

What differentiates European culture from all other continents and culture is it’s deep roots in Christianity. What united Europe and gave it a common identity was not language or race but common beliefs in Christianity.

Armenia and Georgia share with the other European countries this identity. Turkey and Azerbaijan have different identity which relates to Islam rather than Christianity. Therefore in that sense they do not share with Europe common beliefs.

April 20, 2008 at 10:54 pm
(86) hayestan says:

wow this is a very intelligable and heavy debate, I would say that Armenia Georgia and Azerbijan are on the European continent since all three lay above the River Arax and are situated north of Iran and Turkey. As for Turkey I believe although an historically Asian descent, they have culturally assimulated with may Euro/Races, and also the fact that part of Turkey lies in Europe I would say Turkey should be considered European as for the nation of Kazahkstan it can be considered both in Europe and Asia, even her population is either Slavic (European) and Turkic (Asian).

May 3, 2008 at 4:44 pm
(87) David says:

wow, this debate lasts almost for 2 years! so people… i dont know about azerbajan for sure, but i strongly convinced that Armenia and Georgia are part of Europe, it’s 100%… just forget about Asia. we studied it in school, also you can find it in wikipedia or another sources. Concerning the race, it’s also trully european, their appearance, culture and religion. Also Georgia and Armenia are two of the oldest christian countries. Thus, you can compare this two countries with Greece for example..

May 17, 2008 at 12:56 pm
(88) george says:

The border of Europe and Asia is located on the main ridge of great Caucasus mountains and lies through Georgia. Approximately 1/6 of Georgia is located in north Caucasus (provinces of khevi, khevsureti and tusheti) while the rest is located in south Caucasus. So, Georgia is the country at the junction of Europe and Asia. This is the border of Europe and Asia at least since 1700 (one can see maps of French cartographer deFer and others) Armenia and Azerbaijan are located in Asia.

May 28, 2008 at 5:07 am
(89) PS says:

to Vartan:
Are u saying that if USA mentioned “armenian henocide”, they would belong to Europe???
:D :D:D:D:D

May 29, 2008 at 11:28 am
(90) emanuel says:

The borders of South East Europe are not very well defined. Borders tend to retract or expand with time, just like after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, Europe expanded toward the East. When the borders are within the limits of Europe and there is controversy, it is not fair to judge just by one criteria being an expanding border, other specs like history and culture should be analyzed. Just like for Cyprus, that is geographically in Asia for years but part of European union now.

All 3 countries, Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan are part of the council of Europe.

All 3 countries are politically part of the internet site of the gate way of European union,

All 3 countries are part of the miss Europe contest, Eurovision contest and European football league as well as seen by world atlas geographers as part of Europe.

Now Armenia and Georgia could be considered more European than Azerbaijan because of their culture, both being Christian states, and Armenians being very similar to Greeks by culture and may be originally colonists from the Balkans, usually lighter people and speak a European language similar to the Greeks. Historically, they were Hellenic at one point and then Roman and then under byzantine kingdom and then ottoman and then became soviet republics. Recently, Politically, Armenia even sent troops to Kosovo under Greek command(KFOR)and Georgia is trying desperately to become a member state of the European union in long term and distance itself from Russia. The other two counties could follow in long term, 10 or 15 years…

Now it does not mean that Azerbaijan is semi-European or whatsoever, the Caspian area is rich of resources and could also be from the east side the border of Europe and Asia.

I think the Arax river from the south could be the separation between Europe and Asia and all 3 countries should be listed simply as European, again just like this most official European web site at europa.eu

June 1, 2008 at 9:07 pm
(91) Busse says:

I’m not saying being White or European makes you superior, I’m just saying that white people came from Europe, and Georgians and Armenians are white. Their culture is also European. Azerbaijan is also in Europe though it’s culture and people are not really European.

June 13, 2008 at 5:44 pm
(92) Daithi says:

What has the Eurovision Song Contest or the EU have to do with whether a country is in Europe or not?

Cyprus is in the EU – but it’s in Asia. Israel takes part in Eurovision – and it’s also in Asia

June 17, 2008 at 7:16 am
(93) Steve Conrad says:

Gio I hope you one day stumble back upon this entry as I once did while googling my name. I’m glad I stumbled upon this as you missed my point entirely.

First, you ask me to “Stop Showing my ignorance” and then make a comment that I have never left my ZIPCODE. I ask you sir, not to be ignorant and United States-centric in assuming everyone follows the US Zipcode standard.

On the zipcode issue, at the time of my post: I had left my place of adress(Canadian Postal Code if your interested)and travelled outside the country, and was currently gearing up for a family move to europe.

Since 2006 in back and forth between university(In Ottawa where im from) and “home” in europe(Where my family was posted militarily) I have been to many countries in Europe.

After all this traveling about my opinion espoused in 2006 is unchanged.

You asked me “what India, Mongolia, and Lebanon have to do with Georgia or Armenia” I’m going to assume Lebanon was reffering to alex, as I did not mention Lebanon in my post at all. As for India and Mongolia, which I did state; Their relevance has to do with the fact that you Cannot define/group together countries in a Continent based solely on culture, as the countries I mentioned all belong traditionally/according to most opinions to the continent of asia; however their cultures are distinctly different.

You ASSUMED I was from America by stating I had not left my Zipcode, you ASSUMED I believed that Georgia and/or Armenia are in Asia, when in fact I made no such statement or suggestion
in my post, all these ASSUMPTIONS led to one EPIC fail of an argument against me, based on what I believe is your largest assumption about my post; That it was a reply to the Original Poster(OP). It was not, it had nothing to do with the OP, my post was reffering only to specific people who had commented after the OP espousing the ideas I talked about. As such, your argument against me is irrelevant on the grounds that you where attacking an argument I never made, and to add insult to injury is further irrelevant because I believe that both Armenia AND Georgia belong to the continent known as “Europe”

Im sorry to have Cut you so hard in my response, but that was quite possibly the worst argument against me based around untrue assumptions, so I did it for your own benefit, so you learn to argue/debate better in the future.

October 22, 2011 at 11:38 pm
(94) Joanna says:

Double thumbs up!! That was awesome!!

June 20, 2008 at 9:40 am
(95) 12345a says:

Obviosly they are all in asia and they can be considered as an extention to asia minor

June 29, 2008 at 1:55 pm
(96) Tom Markinson says:

Blumenbach based the classification of the Caucasian race primarily on skull features, which Blumenbach claimed were optimized by the Caucasian peoples,[9] particularly a single skull from the Caucasia which resembled German skulls. It was from this similarity that he conjectured Europeans having arisen in the Caucasia. Blumenbach wrote about the “primeval” Caucasian race which he believed was “the oldest race of man” and the “first variety of humankind”.

Caucasian variety – I have taken the name of this variety from Mount Caucasus, both because its neighborhood, and especially its southern slope, produces the most beautiful race of men, I mean the Georgian; and because all physiological reasons converge to this, that in that region, if anywhere, it seems we ought with the greatest probability to place the autochthones (birth place) of mankind

July 28, 2008 at 10:37 pm
(97) Astyges says:

I personally belive Azerbaijan, Georgia, Armenia and part of Russia should simply be named “Caucasus” because trying to fit them into either Europe or Asia-Middle East faces a lot of difficulties and confusion in terms of cultural, linguistic and geographic pecularities. I belive Caucasus is a part of dividing line between Europe and Asia. If we can view Europe and Asia as distinct geographies, then why should not think of Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia as Caucasus.

July 28, 2008 at 10:50 pm
(98) Astyges says:

As to blue eyed, blonde haired Armenians or Georgians, and Asian Azerbaijan, it is so pathetic to hear people from Caucasus trying to distance themselves from each other. Azerbaijanis are mostly product of Caucasian Albanians and Medians. However, Turkish invasions and Islamic Expansion imposed Turkish language and Islam on them. You come across people with both European and Midlle-Eastern features in all of these republics which does not make them either European nor Asians

July 29, 2008 at 8:36 am
(99) Jamison Murphy says:

I think that the National Geographic Society recognizes these countries as asian, and logically, since Turkey east of the Bosporus is considered part of Asia, Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia should be as well.

August 6, 2008 at 4:46 pm
(100) e says:

Georgia is in Europe and Azerbaijan is in both Europe and Asia and Armenia is in Asia.

August 9, 2008 at 7:44 pm
(101) joe says:

There are several definitions of the word continent, some include the ethnicity of the people. Georgians claim a closer ethnicity to western europe than to ethnic asian people. If the decision was left to the Georgians, they would be European, not Asian.

August 13, 2008 at 12:05 am
(102) Ariel says:

What exactly do culture, ethnicity, language have to do with geographic features? Native Americans were basically Asian – does this make North and South Americal part of Asia? Some areas of the US are predominantly “African American” — are those places part of Africa? Did Australia become part of Europe once Aborigines were decimated?

To my knowledge, the definition of Asia is a geographic one: that part of Eurasia which is East of the Urals and South of the Caucasus mountains (throw in the Caspian sea as part of the dividing line). These three countries are essentially South of the Caucasus range, except perhaps a tiny bit of Northern Georgia. That’s Asia, despite the recent statements of the US ambassador to the UN, spoken in the context of the current Russian-Georgian conflagration.

August 19, 2008 at 11:15 am
(103) hovo says:

I think Armenia and Georgia are in europe they have culture, religion, etc. is europian but Azerbaijan culture oh sorry :) ) turkish culture cuz azerbaijan is LieRepublic they havnt their own culture so turkish culture is asian —> azerbaiajan is asian country
:D

August 20, 2008 at 12:16 pm
(104) woody says:

Nubian Christians in the Sudan are much older then the first christians of europe. So to identify Christianity with Europe is completely wrong. There has been a black population in that are since forever. Also, to go back to “European”(Europa was a African princess, daughter of Cadmus)culture in ancient times and compare to our time is crazy because as all the white people know on this forum, the white people were completely massacring each other.

August 20, 2008 at 3:58 pm
(105) Sakartvelo says:

I am Georgian, and it looks like everyone else here is ignorant of what Georgia is or its culture is about. Georgian culture and language is distinctly ASIAN. Just because it was occupied by Russia does not make it a part of Europe. Go learn about a country before you make stupid assumptions about it.

November 4, 2011 at 8:40 am
(106) Sima says:

Thank you! Exactly !!
People are so ignorant. .

August 21, 2008 at 7:45 am
(107) Sergiu says:

I can say that a “potential” answer might emerge if we put all the comments “side by side”. There are mentioned the cultural, religious, geographical (…) differences and I consider each one is right in her/his own way. Think about it. In reality Europe, Asia and Africa are as well as North and South America a single land mass.(if we don’t take count of the man made Panama and Suez channels). We divided this land masses into continents mainly because of this aspects you all mention and perhaps the existence of the tectonic plates as well. Even in this case, Europe and Asia are one single entity, right?
My opinion is that when it comes to dividing land masses there are another 3 important factors: the political, economical and the social factor (which counts more or less, depending on the situation). To me the political and economic factors are more important than the “natural” one. See the example of the Russian Federation. It is considered an European country all though a great part of it’s territory can be found on the Asian continent.
Nowadays Europe identified itself with the European Union, but not in a perfect total way. “United in diversity” that’s the Union’s motto. In the next years (many of few) other states from the eastern and mediteranean part of Europe will join the Union but the process will not end at this point. There are some (official)talks about expanding the borders of the Union beyond the continent’s natural limits.
My assumption is that in the future (the next decades or more) Europe will be exactly one and the same with “European Union”. Maybe states like Norway or Iceland will join the Union as well. And yes, it is possible that in that future Georgia, Armenia, Turkey, Israel and some of the northern African states to be included.
Mean while Turkey belongs to Asia Minor therefor it is part of Asia and Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia… well, I agree with Matt. To sustain this argument I bring up into discussion the European educational system. The European pupils and students learn about a Europe in which all these 4 states are considered a part of Asia.
But who knows what the future will bring…

September 8, 2008 at 3:46 am
(108) Miron says:

“Europeans are ethnically Caucasians”

I am sure some brilliant mind coined this term in American bureaucratic lore, and got a promotion, but I know that it was not there even as recent as 1995, and then until some time later.

Before then there was term “white” and “minority”.

I am not sure who wants me to believe that I have anything to do with being “Caucasian”, I am not because I lived in a place near by and I know closely what a patchwork of nations and nationalities Caucasian Ridge is.

October 4, 2008 at 9:37 am
(109) ben williams says:

If Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia and Israel join in Eurovisin and the EuroCup then surly they belong to Europe? Does anyone else agree?

October 5, 2008 at 5:32 am
(110) V says:

What Armenia and Georgia and even Azerbaijan are not is Middle East. How can anyone consider a country belonging to Asia or Europe or Middle East by the simple “stan” part of the country’s name? It’s a matter of linguistics now.

October 8, 2008 at 7:25 am
(111) jack says:

you should ask yourself again that about Russia situation which is located mostly and primarily in the Asia and northern hemispheres so all these countries can be counted in both As for Cyprus is in Asia completely not in Europe geographically (not as you list) but considered european because of greek population and EU also all greek islands are located in Asia if you think this way (some of them are in the south of turkey anyway)

October 14, 2008 at 3:56 pm
(112) Henry says:

What a useless topic. All of you, get a life!

October 14, 2008 at 7:55 pm
(113) Noubar Semerjian says:

All turkey, Armenia Georgia and azerbaijan can be considered Europeans geographically,, but historically…only Armenia and Georgia r Europeans….but dont bother ur self….the EU recognizes all 4 europeans

October 27, 2008 at 1:10 pm
(114) J_SLEEZY says:

i have a bell question test and for this i put china and russia because the catcus mountains does not extend to be one whole split continent so china would be part of eurasia…. im i right?

October 30, 2008 at 12:23 pm
(115) KK says:

Ok to a stupid comments i read saying georgians and armenians r europeans and turkey is because armenians r white and turkey is not… There are alot of armenians in turkey and turks describe armenians as tanned.. they r darker version of turks just like the kurds… As for christianity, a belief doesnt make u european thats pathetic. Today 88% of turkey is white and 12% is non-caucasian, and 13% of kurdish ppl live in turkey so its a caucasian country.

As for whether or not they are in europe, the qustion is simple, the area which covers europe is debateble, some say europe ends after istanbul, turkey, others say it streches to caucasia. To my knowledge it ends in istanbul there for turkey is not in europe and is considered eurasia, transcontinent, as for armenia and georgia and azerbaijan they r in asia.

Btw to ppl consider armenians as white and azeris as non-white, azeris are mix races and have alot more blondes with blue eyes, dont forget theye r mixed ppl of turks n russians.

October 31, 2008 at 12:22 am
(116) Busse says:

Turkey is not in Europe, it is considered Asia Minor. Armenia, and Georgia are not in CONTINENTAL EUROPE, but are part of Europe none the less, just like people from Iceland.

June 7, 2011 at 5:29 pm
(117) Luso says:

Most of Turkey is not in Europe but Thrace, where the historical centre of Istanbul stands, is in Europe. Armenia is not Europe but very close, Georgia has a very tiny piece of land North of the Caucasus, so it’s bicontinental, by an inch. The north Caspian coast of Azerbaijan is in Europe, though the large majority of it’s territory is in Asia. Iceland is not in any continent. It’s in the middle of the Ocean and it’s only considered as Europe because of its history (Cyprus is a similar case, an island in the Mediterranean with a mostly Greek culture, and it’s close enough to Europe). Most of Russia is in Asia and finally, Kazakhstan! Wow! Yes, it has territory in Europe but its main cities are in deep deep Asia.

November 3, 2008 at 1:30 am
(118) EUKA says:

[Busse says:
Turkey is not in Europe, it is considered Asia Minor. Armenia, and Georgia are not in CONTINENTAL EUROPE, but are part of Europe none the less, just like people from Iceland.]

Busse that is by far the dumbest thing ive heard. Yes ur right turkey is not in europe, its not quiet asia minor, turkey is what we call transcontinent (eurasian). armenia is not part of europe just like the people in iceland because people in iceland is part of europe they r just not in EU, not being in EU doesnt mean they arent european. Armenia and georgia is not in europe not EU, they are in asia minor,

to al the armenians please be proud of what u are and stop trying to me something ur not, u guys r asian and its a great thing to be, dont try to be european they arent a superior race. Thank you

June 7, 2011 at 5:42 pm
(119) Luso says:

Iceland is not technically in Europe or North America. It’s in the deep Ocean. Tectonically, Iceland probably may be considered partly European and partly North American. But a part of my country shares the same features. I’m from Portugal, which includes the Azores islands. Tectonically part of the Azores, thus, part of Portugal is in North America, with the rest being in Europe.

November 3, 2008 at 4:38 pm
(120) Kristine says:

Armenia is in Asia, but we are Eurasian, or Europeans in Asia. I know it is confusing but by European I mean White, so actually it is all wrong, we are Caucasian people whose country is located in Asia. Ancient Armenia though expanded well into Europe and Asia.

November 3, 2008 at 4:46 pm
(121) Kristine says:

Russia and Ukraine, at least a part of the country, falls into Asia. From the 3 countries you mentioned, only Georgia falls partially in Europe (a tiny part of it still lies in Europe but the rest is in Asia). All together these 3 countries are called the Caucases, because they are situated on the Northern-Southern Caucases, but only Georgia and Armenia have European/White origins. Azerbajanis are Turkic people, origins Mongols, Asian.
Georgie and Armenia do participate in European events, social-political groups, and they are set to join the EU some time in the future, as they should not because they are located in Asia, but because they are White peoples. In some countries people use ‘white’ interchangeably with ‘European’, but understand there are many European groups who do not live in Europe. With Georgia and Armenia, the EU is making an exception because they are White peoples who fall just outside the Europe map.

November 4, 2008 at 3:29 am
(122) EUKA says:

Kristine I dont know where you got all this information but you are incorrect. Armenians r caucasians yes, but so is iranians which falls under aryan race, being caucasian doesnt make you white. Armenians in turkey are mentioned as darker people compared to turks, it is hard to tel differences between armenian and a kurd, and kurd falls under aryan race. Armenians are not european white they are more middle eastern whites. As for azerbaijan you calling them mongols can be offensive, azerbaijan are ethnicaly whiter than armenians they r mixed with white turks and russians and smal portion has asian genes. So please if you havent searched it up dont make up stories.

As for armenia joining EU, its highly unlikely, they are not located in europe, their culture is asian and their economy is way below the european expectancy, the only thing they have in common is their religion.

Yes armenia, georgia and azerbaijan participate in european activities such as eurovision, but that doesnt make them european, because israel and morrocco is there aswel.

Armenia, azerbaijan and georgia are asian countries so please to all of you, stop pretending to be europeans and live proudly as asians.

November 6, 2008 at 11:51 pm
(123) Chia-ching Yeh says:

I teach geography in high school in Taiwan, and all our textbooks catergorize these three nations as in Asia. But if Georgia joins EU in the future, I might change my view on this matter.

December 28, 2008 at 11:59 am
(124) Leo Schwager says:

do you know?we give up the big wrong for the word of Caucasian.thisword must be said the Caukas,no Caucasian.because word into the Caucasian also has a word asian.its wrong.Caukas from the anicient,part of europe and accepted that.I m German and i m geographer.and i’v been in Baku.Azerbaijan is cultural and the geograpical part of the europe.azerbaijan is the most developed countrie and for the economy is the first in Caucas.and that is important we are the only match this city with the cities Milano,Roma,Viyana and thats.other countries in Caucas Tibilisi and Erevan:))just as carry out to sweepings box of the at.so go on the matter in europe or in asia.like a geographer I telling the boundaries of europe.listen me to carefully:))Ural mountains,river the emba,caspian sea,sunken the kuma-manich,sea of egey,sea of azov,black sea,the bosporus,sea of the marmara,mediterrian sea and the jabbalutariq..then little part of the armenia and georgia,and the fully azerbaijan in europe…lets dont telling about race.azeries always been the tall,brown hair and white skin.your talk that the peoples light brown skins hasnt in europe?then lets look the spain boys.they look likes arabian boys.light brown skin and black hair.some web pages those countries are looks like the asia.its too wrong and given upm the big mistakes.I know one that,Caucas in the Europe.dont forget about it…

December 30, 2008 at 3:30 am
(125) ANGRY ARMO says:

quit trying to be apart of EUROPE!!

January 24, 2009 at 4:03 pm
(126) Jason says:

Geography is the only relevant criteria.

Europe’s boundary is the crest of the Caucasus Mountains, if you study a satellite photo of the South Caucasus, you will see Georgia has virtually no territory lying above the crest of those mountains. Georgia’s northern border with Russia runs along the Caucasus. Armenia is wholly to the south of the Caucasus Mountains. Azerbaijan however, has a good chunk of land rising north of the mountains along it’s north eastern border with Dagestan.

Georgia – Asian.
Armenia – Asian.
Azerbaijan – Eurasian.
Turkey – Eurasian.

February 3, 2009 at 8:05 am
(127) DAVID says:

if these 3 countries in asia then Skandinavia isnt in europe and t5he 20% of russia isnt in europe…thats smile but somewhere yhese countries as views part of aia..really smile…In kaukas i know only azerbaijan..and know one azerbaijan in europe and send your energy and gas,petrol to us.these there countries part of eastern europe.not talkling about that…whichs stupids thing that the kaukas not belong to europe??

February 3, 2009 at 8:17 am
(128) Simon says:

i m from sweeden.we are love only azeries and azerbaijan..we ‘re going in azerbaijan every summer..and we learn a lot of informasion f4 this country..sure I agree fully with DAVID which stupids create this subject..all europeans know that the azerbaijan,georgia and armenia in eastern europe..u may ask my father..hahahahaha…azerbaijan we love uuuuu..and will going in this summer too

February 3, 2009 at 8:43 am
(129) SALIHAMIDIZC says:

there are 4 muslim countries in europa;bosnia,kosova,turkey and azerbaijan…nobaday willnot be able say that ..muslims countries not belong to europe..thats stupidity..but these countries always democratic republics..

February 10, 2009 at 2:57 am
(130) Armo says:

I’m sorry but there is some people on here who claims they are Armenians (e.g Jalil, Hye) but in fact they are Turks who hate to hear Armenia belongs to Europe and they dont..i assure you there is no Armenian who considers hes/her country part of the Middle East..,so nice try! geographically is in Euroasia however politically, culturally, historically and economically is European same goes to Georgia and Cyprus ..check worldatlas.com

February 11, 2009 at 6:59 am
(131) MARIN says:

nothing cannot know about geograpy like I..look.i m from serbia and should be say that.why anyones want to separate caucasus from europe.maybe persons which did this from asia..and i thing that they are interesring make it..and such illetaretes believe them..why they want to seperate caucasus from europe.clever europeans dont belive it..caucasus belong to europe.EUKA who u are asian?? stop seperate..

azerbaijan-europe
georgia-europe
armenia-europe
israel-asia(middle east)
turkey 5% in europe 95% in asia(middle east)
cyprus(asia)
russia-20% in europa 80 % in asia..

February 22, 2009 at 12:17 am
(132) Alexander says:

If Armenia is in Europe then Syria, Iraq and Iran are also in Europe.

Cyprus and Georgia are Asian baby..

..with the mongoloids!

March 10, 2009 at 7:14 pm
(133) Anne says:

I’m not sure about Azerbaijan, but Armenia and Georgia have European culture…Eastern European…These countries fall in the territory of Asia, but since their culture is pretty much European, we call them “Eastern Europe”. They are definitely not Asians!!!

March 10, 2009 at 10:17 pm
(134) Walter says:

Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan are definetly neither in the European or Asian category. The Caucasus region can hardly be described for geographical or cultural reasons as being European or Asian. Only because Armenians like Georgians belong to the Indo European family doesn’t mean they automatically belong in Europe, Iranians (who have cultural and historical links with Armenians) and Kurds are Indo Europeans too, but most would think they are in Asia. I think its time to accept Armenians, Georgians, and Azeri belong into a seprate category of their own, and geographers need to reass how they classify them. The Caucausus has been a bridge between Asia and Europe and remains until this day distinct in many respects to both Europe and Asia.

March 13, 2009 at 2:42 am
(135) ulric says:

just because armenia has cultural,political,and religous belief similar to europe doewsn’t make it european.
many countries in the world have adopted the ways of europe,and armenia would actually be considered eurasian because of it’s location.
if they have certain charteristics that’s because there have always been races genetically considered caucasian,north africans,southwest asians also known as middle easterns,central asians,and south asians.i have a theory about caucasians and asian that even though they maybe different from each other they have some connection even the word cauc-”asian” is a clue there like neighbors.

March 15, 2009 at 7:16 pm
(136) Alexander says:

Walter, Georgians are not Indo-Europeans.

The Georgian language is in the South Caucasian language family, which is not Indo-European.

Linguistics is irrelevant anyway. The Finns, Estonians, Hungarians, Basques, and Turks (Of Eastern Thrace) are all non Indo-European linguistically but all European geographically.

The question concerns one criteria and one criteria alone, Geography, and geographically Georgia and Armenia {And Cyprus} are entirely Asian.

While Azerbaijan is definately and unambigously Eurasian, Azerbaijan’s territory includes a sizable portion of the North Caucasus, along it’s north-eastern border with Dagestan.

I want to give a simple example of my rationale that geography is the ONLY criteria to be considered in determining whether something is or is not in Europe…

Australia and New Zealand have a majority European language, culture, ethnicity, religion and just about everything else. Now does this make Australia or New Zealand part of Europe? Of course not!

This is about geography, It doesn’t matter whether Armenians and Georgeans have everything or nothing in common with Europe.

ARMENIA is entirely south of the Caucasus mountains, it is miles away from them – ASIAN.

GEORGIA’s territory does not include any part of the North Caucacus foothills – ASIAN.

CYPRUS is off the coast of Asia Minor and the Levant, and nowhere near any part of Europe – ASIAN.

And that settles it!

March 15, 2009 at 10:24 pm
(137) rhodes says:

According to National Geographic the Europe-Asia border is formed by the ural Mountains, the ural river (therefore western Kazakstan is in Europe) caspian sea, caucaus mountains and th eblack sea with its outlets the bosporus and the dardenelles. They include 2 very small northern regions of Georgia in Europe and northern Azerbaijan in Europe. So along with Turkey and Russia, there are 5 countries that are in both Europe and Asia

March 16, 2009 at 11:11 am
(138) Misterious Amaranth says:

Hi, all! I am from Norway. And as I know Armenia is the richest and the most developed from those 3. I think we should count Georgia and Armenia… Azerbaijan being the poorest and alone muslim from those 3 must be cunted as Asia… Let’s mention the history… Armenia always was comunicating with Europe, especially with Rome Empire… But Azerbaijan appeared in not so early past… And had/has good relationships only with Muslim countries…

October 29, 2011 at 5:57 pm
(139) Audar says:

What has religion to do with anything?

I doubt that your actual origin, your birth country, is Norway. We are generally non-religious and seldom think in those ways.

March 21, 2009 at 7:10 pm
(140) Real Hye says:

@ “Hye”

Get lost you Turk piece of garbage! Armenian culture has always been European based and so is the language. Azerbaijan and Turkey are not in Europe but Armenia is, based on language, origin of the people, and religion.

March 22, 2009 at 8:01 pm
(141) Alskade Flicka says:

Hej,
I read all the comments on this forum, and actually as a global citizen started feeling bad. I don’t understand why it is a “shame” being asian. I have a lot of asian friends and they are absolutely nice. I noticed a lot of georgians and armenians are trying to show that they are better because they are “europeans” & chirstians. & they say that Azerbaidzan is a muslim country therefor it is not european.That is so stupid to say! Bosnia, albania, turkey are muslim countries as well, but they are still in Europe. I’m from sweden, and we have a lot of Erasmus students from Turkey. and erasmus program is only for Europeans. so I guess that means that european community has accepted them as europeans, althought not officialy made them a member of EU. the concept of Europe now is different from that of 50 years ago. Those 3 countries were in Soviets before, which itself was a Region. nowdays i think they are getting more and more involved with EU and europe in general. I don’t know how culturally they are close to europeans, but then there is no exact definition of “being european”. Swedes are so much different from Italians, and greeks, but still we all call ourselves europeans. I know that Georgia is more active in integration to EU, Azerbaidzan is the richest one with a lot better economoy than other 2 ( because of booming oil industry there). Dont know a lot about armenians, btu have met few. and someone commented here that they are blonde blue /green eyes. Definately No. but that does’t make them less ppl than blonde nordics. I really don’t udnerstand why that armenian made the comment trying to say that they have light skin light eyes – they are better. i think as a nation you should be more confident , and love ur country, not try to be like others.
I hope to visit Caucasia one day

March 24, 2009 at 3:43 pm
(142) hyeami says:

ned ur an absalute idiot armenia is in europe and ther culture isnt even close too middle eastern ned has no idea wat hes talking about he should just go throw himself of a bridge dnt comment on this if u dnt knw wat ur talkingabout

April 14, 2009 at 6:15 am
(143) DjAVİD says:

Alskade Flicka..!I congrutulate u for a good comment..and someone wrote about that geograpıens gotta be appoınt that these 3 country belong ın euro or asıa.What ı say.they appoınt ıt.and result:EU says:we wıll take theses free countrıes ın EU In the frame of plan of partnership of the eastern europe.and these 3 country are abselutelly receıved to ınsıde of european boundarıes.at the same tame these countrıes,Moldova,Ukraına wıll joıned ın EU too.thıs decısıon accept after the meetıng of the europeans geographers.SO who can say that these countrıes are asıan?..they wıll Joıned ın EU as soon as possıble.and the next,my frıend Alıskade Frıkka saıd about european muslıms countrıes.do you know Azerbaıjan is accepted as the most modern islamite state ın all world and ın Europe.all europeans proud that,they have a such as partner.and geographıcal as you can see on the map,caucasus located above the turkey, west sıde of the Caspıan sea.we are pretty know that europe fınıshes ın the Caspıan sea.countrıes only paralel to caspıan sea beıng ıncluded to europe.for example;Anatolıa(Turkey) not to paralel,half ın Armenıa ıs not paralel.Iran ıs not paralel.wıth one word Caucasus belong to Europe.and thats not accidental that,they gonna joıned ın EU.OK.please nobady doesnt write commentary lie, without understanding, wıthout gettıng knowledge in the right of geography and countries..

April 14, 2009 at 7:36 am
(144) DjAVİD says:

Alskade Flicka!ı congrutulate u.ur comment ıs so rıght.ok.ı see that someones has saıd about geograpıcher gotta make a decısıon that,these 3 country are ın europe boundarıes or asıa.Guys they accept thıs decısıon already.EU says;we wıll take 6 country ın europe as soon as possıble;Ukraına,Moldova,Belarus,azerbaıjan,armenıa, and Georgıa.they joıned ın EU ın the frame of partnership of the eastern europe.and caucasus has called that south eastern europe.lıke BALKANS.alrıght who can say Caucasus ıs belong to asıa?.and the next.we are pretty know,Caspıan sea ın the euope bounarıes.cauvasus located above the turkey,and ıran.so ın thıs regıon only paralel countrıes to caspıan sea beıng ıncluded to europe.for example;Anatolıa(turkey) ıs ın asıa.half part of armenıa ıs ın asıa.and ıran ıs ın asıa.Ok.please doesnt wrıte comment,wıthout understandın,wıthout gettng knowledge about these countrıes.and my frıend Alskada wrote so true that ıts not matter ıf you muslım your not ın europe.half of spaın,Bosnıa,Kosova,turkey,azerbaijan are muslıms europeans countrıes.do you know azerbaijan accepted ıs the most modern muslım country all the world.we just proud that we have such as partner ın europe.ok..thanks for readıng from now.

May 1, 2009 at 3:34 pm
(145) KwashiUbuntu33 says:

Personally, i consider the political aspects, not the geological/geographical ones. In my view, North Africa should be included on most maps of europe, so should the island of cyprus, Anatolia and the Caucasus. I mean, weren’t Morocco, Tunisia, and Algeria part of France at one time, wasn’t Libya part of Italy and Egypt a mandate of Great Britain. Caucasia has been fought over by European and Asian powers alike since the dawn of time. Anatolia has been part of the Greek, Roman, and Byzantine Empire. And Cyprus has a population that is more than half population is Greek. Syria and Lebanon were French Mandates, too. Greenland is defiantly part of Europe, my ancestors probably landed there (Norwegians). The Eastern Boundary should be the edge of the Caspian Sea, Turkish, Armenia, Iraq/Iran boarder, Sub saharan Africa and the Israeli-Jordanian boarder! This debate is actually ridicules, Africa/Asia/Europe are one super-landmass called Afro-Eurasia.

May 7, 2009 at 6:39 am
(146) Djavıd says:

do u know man?ıts not matter to be afro-euroasıan euroasıan.there are not such as sying in the world.just european,asıan,afrıcan,australıan,etc.so these subjects problems of geographer.and ı saıd thıs matter ın my last comment that,geographers made a decision.caucasus belong to europe and after thıs, regıon called south eastern europe.and besıdes,-amenıa,azerbaıjan,georgıa,moldovıa,belarus ukraına.these 6 country wıll joıned ın EU as soon as possıble.already european boundarıes ıs known everyone.

May 22, 2009 at 5:26 am
(147) Jane says:

Arminia is in Asia geography wise.

There is nothing wrong with being Asian, I’m a complete Asian and European Mutt, but I sometimes wish i was from African decent because they don’t age that fast compare to Europeans, look at Tina Turner, what is she 70? Still looks young

It is just so sad people hardly pays attention to the comments. Its geography not language nor religion.

Plus there are 3 types of white, so who ever said Europeans are Caucasians is wrong, there are 3 types of white, Anglo Saxons most of Europe, Caucasians who live along the Caucasus Mountains, and Aryans who are from Iran. This is according to Anthropology. Unfortunately here in the US, through the years we always have stupid politicians who just categorize whites as Caucasians :(

We are all humans, one day these continents will look so different, there might not even be a Europe or Asia no more, it might get a new name or something.

Good luck to the student who took the geography class.

June 4, 2009 at 9:15 pm
(148) AislingAine says:

HAHA.
Some people really need to do there research before they go spouting nonsense.

Armenia. European country- speaks an Indo-European language, are all fairly caucasian, can be culturally linked to the Mediteranian. Noteably Greece!!

Georgia is a debate-able one for me. But never the less would and is considered European.

Azerbaijan is geographically in Asia. But draws culture from both continents. And is often considered to be European. Just because it’s 99% muslim doesn’t mean anything. They’re are muslim countries located in the EU.

I don’t see why people bother about this so much.
What’s the point in racially linking ourself to a continent.
What matters is inside.

WHERE WE ALL COME FROM THE SAME PEOPLE!

And has anyone considered the fact that even Central Asian countries are even considered European culturally.
Kazakhstan draws major significance from Europe. Over half of Uzbekistan is caucasian along with Kyrgystan and Tajikstan.

AND the Arayn people from Iran are often considered Caucasian. They also speak an Indo-European language.

And most Indian languages are Indo-European!
They’re are people in the North of India who look very racially European does that mean they’re shunned as Asian?

Or does the fact that they’re a sub continent already expel them?

It all comes down to this European/Asian nonsense.
A few thousand years ago- not a single person cared about continents.

They’re only geographical terms the ancient Greeks came up with to make everyone non-European apparently.

And they’ve excelled in that I can honestly say.

I have blood in The UK, Ireland, Nordic countries, Germany, France, Spain and the middle east.
And I just classify myself as Scottish.
My place of birth.
But all together I am Afro-Eurasian ;].

Why can’t we be happy with who we are instead of ethnically condeming each other all the time.
There is nothing wrong with being Asian nor Caucasian.
Were equals GET OVER YOURSELF

-

Why are we now mentioning Cyprus?
It’s in the mediteranian sea- which is between North Africa and Europe.
Can’t you read maps?

June 16, 2009 at 4:50 am
(149) Anton says:

I have visited all three of South Caucasian countries. Surely Georgia seems to be the most European of these states, and probably will join the EU earliest. Armenia and Azerbaijan should also be considered as European countries, due to geographic placement and culture. Although Azerbaijan is officially a muslim state, most of the people do not practise any religion and the lifestyle is european. All 3 states are members of the European Council, and EU Eastern Partnership programme.

June 16, 2009 at 6:38 am
(150) Niko says:

In fact Armenians and Azerbaijanis look very similar (a bit darker than Greeks and Turks), which is a result of genetic mixture over the centuries of close neighborhood.Georgians have lighter skin, and some are blond with blue eyes.

June 27, 2009 at 2:11 pm
(151) Anthony says:

haaahaha we try to gather racıalızm..but someones trıes to do ıt always..ı dnt know..when does mr.NIKO goın ın thıs regıon and where saw thıs people..please stop racıalısm..thats how turks and greeks are whıte skıns then these people..what ıs ıt mean..then spaıns belong ın asıa cause they lıght brown skıns too…we wıll fıght such as donkey guys..and these countrıes also belong ın europe..ı dont say that…ıts say EU..

June 27, 2009 at 2:14 pm
(152) Yulıya says:

YA YULIYA.HI AM REALLY KNOW THESE COUNTRIES SO CLOSE.CAUSE AM RUSSIAN.YEAH.AND I KNOW THEY RACE,THEY
SITUATION,THEY CASE.GEORGIANS HALF AN IN EUROPA.THEIR WESTERN SIDE BELONG IN EUROPA.AND THEY WERY WEAK COUNTRY.
COUNTRY FOR THEIR ARMY.ARMENIANS JUST LOOK LIKES UNDER OUR OFFICE BUT THEY NOT IN EUROPA.THEY
SOUTH-EASTERN NEIGHBOR TO TURKEY.SO IT MEANS THAT THEY IN ASIA.AND ABOUT AZERBAIJAN GUYS I WANNA TALK.OH MY GODD
THEY REALLY MAKE ME CRAZY.OK.AM GOT AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT.ONLY AZERBAIJAN COMPLETELY LOCATE IN EUROPA AND THEY
VERY RAPIDLY INTEGRATE IN EU.AND THATS TRUE THESE COUNTRIES WILL JOINED IN EU WITH COUNTRIES UKRAINE,MOLDOVA AND BELARUS.
AND THIS REGION CALLED EASTERN EUROPE ALTHOUGHT HALF PART IN GEORGIA BELONG IN ASIA AND ARMENIA COMPLETELY IN ASIA..

CAUCASUS:
ARMENIA-ASIA(COMPLETELY)
AZERBAIJAN-EUROPA(COMPLETELY)
GEORGIvA-EUROASIA(CAUSE HALF AN IN ASIA)

June 27, 2009 at 2:23 pm
(153) CAUCAS says:

SOMEONES COULDNT ACCEPTANCE THAT WE ARE EUROPEANS..WHHHYYY???ALL ORGANIZATIONS ACCEPT IT BUT SOMEONES STILL COULDNT…ITS POSSIBLE THAT LITTLE PART OF TURKEY AND RUSSIA IN EUROPA..BUT CAUCASUS BELONG IN EUROPA COMPLETELY.NOW WHY SOMEONES TRY TO CHANGE IT????

June 28, 2009 at 1:10 pm
(154) Dorothea says:

I was really surprised when I read the question. I am from Germany and in my opinion Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan clearly belong to Asia. I was taught this at school. Besides, all the maps and encyclopaedias I have at home say so too. The culture of these countries does not matter. It is just about geography.
Please read this Wikipedia entry:
The Kuma-Manych Depression is a geological depression in southwestern Russia that separates the Russian Plain (north) from the Fore-Caucasus (south). It is often regarded as the natural boundary between Europe and Asia. It was once officially declared as the boundary by the Russian Czar in 1730 after the geographical works by Philip Johan von Strahlenberg.

July 3, 2009 at 4:23 pm
(155) Vato says:

Hey everybody listen I am Georgian! and I know the true story! First of all who cares what you have learned at school??!! I am Georgian and therefore I am European!!! I dont know about Armenians and Azerbaijan and Turkey but Georgia is culturally European. I am sorry I have to tell you this but Geographically Europe does not exists because Eurasia is one continent. Europe does only exists culturally and therefore culturally Georgia is part of Europe. In history Europe was divided from Asia because of the variety in culture and religion.And for the information Georgia and Armenia were the first Christian Countries in the World.Georgia was always part of Europe but when the Soviet Union was created people divided Eurasia in three parts: these were Asia, Europe and the Soviet Union which was too big to be included in any of them. After the collapse people forgot about Georgia and that is why Georgia is the forgotten Europe. In my mind Turkey and Azerbaijan are not culturally part of Europe. Armenia although I guess is neither part of Europe nor Asia it is part of the Middle East which in my mind is a different cultural region which is really not Asia too.

July 4, 2009 at 5:21 am
(156) ATROPATENA says:

lets thought about that;we’re know that these countrıes locate between europe and asıa..and everyone takes ıt,got ıt.ok..so.gotta be theır choıce whıch sıde,whıch contınent they wanna ıntegrate.and ıt seems that these countrıes want to be part of europe.and europe gave thıs choıse to these countrıes.Therefore they wıll joıned ın EU as soon as possıble.and we know that cannot enter the EU,whıch countrıes doesnt belong ın europe geographıcally..then we gotta accept ıt.

July 9, 2009 at 3:49 pm
(157) Arthur says:

Azerbaijan won’t join Europe for sure, Europe isn’t even leting turkey join. Armenia is the most similar to Europe, religon wise, cultural wise, and Armenian is considered an Indo European lanauage. I don’t think any country will have a problem leting Armenia join Europe as for Azerbaijan and Turkey, they don’t have much of a chance. Armenia is the most likely to join, then Georgia, then turkey(very-very little chance), then Azerbaijan(no chance).

July 11, 2009 at 8:58 am
(158) Kay says:

This is a STUPID argument.

You guys need to reread the question:
“Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan in Asia or Europe?”

The question is asking if the countries are in ASIA or EUROPE.

If you guys are saying these countries are European simply because of its inhabitants, then you guys are STUPID!

I’m from Hawaii and over half the population here is ASIAN. Does this mean we’re part of ASIA? NO! We’re part of AMERICA.

GEOGRAPHICALLY SPEAKING, Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan are part of ASIA!

PROBLEM SOLVED FRIENDS! =)

July 13, 2009 at 1:14 pm
(159) alponi says:

Are there any doubts about Australian, African or American boundaries? Definitely not! -About Europe and Asia? Yes! It’s because that Eurasia is one continent and boundaries between Europe and Asia have always been controversial, because the division have been based on cultural differences.

I was born in Georgia, and even in soviet times we, Georgians, always considered the country European. The Christianity in this country has made more ties with Europe than with Asia. Moreover, during its entire history, Georgia fought against Muslim empires from Asia, so it is natural to be tied with Europeans.

So, for me Georgia is naturally European despite what different world atlases and websites feature. And it is also true that many of them nowadays consider Georgia as a European country.

July 13, 2009 at 8:47 pm
(160) Kay says:

Religion has NOTHING to do with this.

July 19, 2009 at 12:09 pm
(161) Brown N Proud says:

Europe and Asia are not continents, they are the two regions that together make up the continent Eurasia. Azerbaijan and Georgia have parts both in Europe and in Asia, Turkey has a small portion in Europe.
Armenia, not only geographically, but also historically and culturally belongs to Asia. It’s time for Armenians to accept and be proud of it.

July 20, 2009 at 7:35 am
(162) EUROSTYLE says:

ı think that into eurasians countries azerbaijan join in EU earlier.cause nabucco became true.so they they gas,oil will sending the EU countries from on the Balkans region.so europe never letting azerbaijan goin in the east side.second georgia and ukrain will joined.turkey am not sure.cause europeans dont want to see turkey in EU.armenia am not sure too.but they might be joined.cause they caucasians too…

August 11, 2009 at 9:58 am
(163) Vato says:

kay you know I dont believ u are American because u are hawaiian. Do you like that???

Its the same when you tell us you are not european because you are georgian.

August 17, 2009 at 3:47 am
(164) OneWorld says:

C’mon guys..we are all brothers.we live in one world.lets dont seperate this world to boundaries..these countries might be consider to europe..asian brothers lets dont to be the jelous..so.we only have a 1world..i againt to boundaries..

August 19, 2009 at 11:58 pm
(165) frank says:

The argument can go both ways, however culturally both Armenia & Georgia are more European than Azerbaijan or Turkey. Armenia has historical links to Germany & most of Europe. Religion also plays a factor, without sounding racist, the core Eurpean values are based on Christian Democratic principles, Turkey nor Azerbaijan seem to qualify as real democracies, while Armenia has progressed more towards a real democracy.

August 22, 2009 at 8:04 am
(166) Vato says:

Georgia has progressed more towards a real democracy man not Armenia. Armenia is like a russian colony.

August 26, 2009 at 12:01 am
(167) Anon says:

Armenia: Armenians have been not only living in current day Armenia. They have been living in Anatolia for Thousands of years until the Turks forced them out of their homelands.

Geographically speaking they are all located in Asia. Look at the map and look at “Europe” then look at how far away the Caucasus is.

August 27, 2009 at 3:40 am
(168) ArmenianMama says:

Anon you are 100% correct. The question has nothing to do with religion, race, color or label. The question has to do with where a geographer would consider each of these countries – without labeling them “eurasian”. Anatolians, Assyrians, Armenians, Turks, Georgians, Khazakstani, etc. None of these are in the middle east – so many people are misguided. The geographical location for these three countries is Asia. Whether one country has assimilated to European culture or Asian culture bears no difference – we are speaking location. I am Armenian. Take a look at ancient maps…. it is easy to see why Armenia was overtaken and so different in looks, culture, because of ancient ASIAN and EUROPEAN trade routes. You want to know why we are so close to the Greeks? Read the history! Here is a link:
http://www.littlearmenia.com/html/little_armenia/armenian_history.asp
Armenians have been around for over 4000 years, and our language has been described here and there as indo-european, but in actuality it does not resemble nor is it in written form similar to any language on the planet – not asian and definitely not european. it is only because of the location that it is described as that.

Here is another link to help you decide of an ancient map of Armenia. At the very left you will see the words Asia Minor. This is where Armenia is, and has always been considered.

So Anon said this all in a condensed version, very accurately. Armenia was Anatolia – Anatolia is considered ASIA MINOR. The 1st link shows why Armenians/Greeks have very very similar cultures, food, religion, etc. This may be why we feel European, but to be honest – Armenians are our own culture, personality and a very proud people (stubborn, too!). I hope the debate can come up with even more interesting links… I love a good debate!

My priest used to joke with us and say we are all just the same people – remember Noah’s ark landed on Mt. Ararat when Mt. Ararat was in Armenia… so that means everyone is Armenian!

August 30, 2009 at 6:55 pm
(169) Basil says:

Armenia is not in Asia or Europe. Armenia is in The Armenian Highland. Its small part is Republic of Armenia.

“America, Asia, Europe, M.East, Far East, the six or seven continents, subcontinent” are political terms and therefore stupid.

It’s all the same to us, what do you think about “Is Armenia in America, Europe or Oceania”

August 30, 2009 at 11:58 pm
(170) Tom Robinson says:

I think Europe is an amazingly Eurocentric notion of a continent. Let’s remember Europeans think that North and South America are one continent (America) but somehow Europe and Asia are two.

I think not. I prefer to think we define continents because they are fully or almost surrounded by water. So the North and South America, Eurasia, Africa, Oceania, and Antarctica are continents. Or else it’s America, AfriEurAsia, Oceania, and Antarctica.

September 4, 2009 at 11:01 am
(171) M. Ophir says:

Whoever says Georgia is part of Europe obviously is ignorant of georgian culture history and society. Not only is Georgia geographically located in Asia, its culture bears minimal resemblance to European culture (if there is such a thing). The fact that the main religion is Christianity in Georgia doesnt mean its European. Ethiopia has been Christian since the 4th century, is it European? Are Christian Lebanese Europeans? The idea that religion dictates which continent a people belong to is ludacris. Are Bosnian Muslims asian? No, they are european. I speak about Georgia because my father’s family is from Georgia itself. It is definetively an Asian country.

September 5, 2009 at 12:59 am
(172) HumHo says:

Maybe the “continent” of Europe and the “continent” Asia should both be merged together into Eurasia.

The reason is that it is just increasingly difficult to specify which of the near-border countries belong where. Someone will always be unhappy.

Besides there is no real NEED for those two continents to be separate anyway.

September 13, 2009 at 8:00 am
(173) truths says:

ARMENİANS THINK ABOUT THAT WHY YOU ARE TAKING OUT FROM ANATOLIA.ITS TIME TO TALK ABOUT TRUTHS.ENGLİSH AND FRENCHS PROMISE THAT IF U ARE DOIN THE TEROR OPERATIONS INSIDE OTTOMAN EMPIRE THEY CREATE THE ARMENIAN STATE IN ANATOLIA.THEY USE ARMENIANS LIKE A TOY.YOU ARE DONE IT.U ARE DONE ALOT OF TERORS IN ANATOLIA.MY GRANDFA REMEMBER IT WITH CRIES,HE SAİD THAT;ON FRIDAY WHEN MUSLIMS GOIN IN MOSQUE FOR PRAY,THEY HAVE CLOSE THE DOORS AND WERE BURN MOSQUE.MANY MOSLIMS BURN IN THERE.CAN THİS SAVAGES BEİNG THE EUROPEAN??NEVER!!!AND FINALLY THEY OCCUPIED GARABAGH.THEY DONE SUCH AS WİLDNESS IN THERE TOO.CAUSE THEY TURKS??CAUSE THEY MOSLIMS??.BUT THEY GOT WHAT THEY DESERVED…TEHY POOR,THEY HUNGRY NOW.IN SOUTH CAUCAS GEORGIANS AND AZERIES HATE THEM.WE TREATE ARMENİANS LİKE ANİMAL..

September 14, 2009 at 2:09 pm
(174) parkosa says:

Georgia, one of Europe’s oldest Christian nations!

September 17, 2009 at 3:51 pm
(175) Jimmy says:

Ethiopia, one of the world’s oldest Christian nations!
Whats your point? Christianity doesnt = Europe how come we have to keep pointing out this obvious fact to people

September 18, 2009 at 8:57 am
(176) Ray says:

This discussion is getting so funny. This topic belonged under the category of geography and not politics or anthropology. Maybe some people are just to emotional or un-educated to have a mature discussion. Under geography there is a dividing geographical line (that may or may not be accurate) that divides Europe and Asia.

Unless you have the power to move mountains literally, you just cannot argue whether your location or town belongs to Asia or Europe. Not culture, not politics, not European Union, not the former Soviet Union etc. On Asian side or European side geographically.

Best you can do it to redefine this geographical line if you are so troubled by which side of the geographical border you are. Or scoff at the original geographers who thought they were two continents.

This is not about you. It’s about location. I can see some people really wanting to be known as European people so much – I don’t know why. In this case the Asian people don’t want you either. Asian cities are among the fastest growing economies and biggest cities in the world today.

September 19, 2009 at 8:21 am
(177) Vato says:

Ray listen man If you like Asia so much why dont you move to Pakistan and live a nice life man. The Geographic line you talk about will be changed soon dont worry man but until it doesnt, Europe does not exist as a continent it exist culturally and culturally Georgia belongs to Europe.
Who made this Geographic line? Answer my question please and tell did they had the authority to do so?
They just drew a line how they liked it but that line will be changed soon.

September 21, 2009 at 10:42 pm
(178) Ray says:

European geographers and explorers drew the line.

September 21, 2009 at 10:50 pm
(179) Ray says:

That geographic dividing line was drawn by European explorers and geographers. I repeat – European explorers and geographers.

I have only visited China, Mongolia, Russia (both the bigger Asian part and the smaller European part), Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Thailand but I’ll visit the rest in time. Most of these are stable economic powers the world are turning towards and they are in Asia lest you have forgotten how big Asia is.

September 23, 2009 at 12:44 pm
(180) Ray says:

European geographers and explorers drew this line. I repeat, European geographers.

Vato, culturally you can argue but you’ve got to start another post. Who knows, maybe you’ll win that point even.

Why Pakistan? I’ve never been there. But I’ll gladly to to Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, even China where I’ve visited before. Or are you actually not aware how big Asia is?

September 23, 2009 at 1:29 pm
(181) Vato says:

instead of going to these countries come to Georgia. Then Visit Armenia and then Azerbaijan. Then decide what you think.

Native Americans were killed by European settlers and a European Geographer, named Columbus, thought that America was India!
It doesn’t mean they were right. This line is a mistake OK! It is not a well made line. I am sorry but thats true. Yeah for information u don’t need to repeat your lines so much it doesn’t make you more clever than you already are!

September 23, 2009 at 9:40 pm
(182) Ann Nonymous says:

Listen Ray,

or whatever other name’s you’ve been using in this blog (and we all know you have) – you’re making this discussion very asian and hence, schizophrenic!. If you want to make a valid opinion, read BOOKS and then process the facts. You sound like an idiot.

September 24, 2009 at 8:19 am
(183) P James says:

Everything in this world can’t always be neatly pigeon-holed. However, the three countries are all members of UEFA and football (soccer to Americans), is perhaps one of the most significant pillars of culture and the highest expression of nationality in the modern world. Israel are also members of UEFA. Geographically and historically they are Asians, but in the context of modern geo-political arrangements, they are westerners. The same goes for Cyprus.

September 24, 2009 at 9:33 am
(184) Ray says:

There was a problem with the post, nothing appeared….. I rewrote at other times before all 3 suddenly appeared… Sorry about the redundancies but I could not remove them. Technical glitches do happen you know. I would have queried first as well.

I was just answering the geographical question. Not stating my opinion. I do agree the early European explorers could not comprehend fully the size of the continent and took the easy way out.

That is why modern geographers consider the continent as one – Eurasia. That would make everyone who formerly thought they were either Europeans or Asians, one, as Eurasians.

September 24, 2009 at 10:17 am
(185) Ray says:

I don’t see the point for me to reappear under a different names Ann.

Anyway, since many want to talk about politics in a geography post, I would like to state my personal opinion on this. By all means, the Caucusas should join the EU, Turkey and even Russia if possible. As long as the big powerful EU members considers and accepts that the people of these nations are aligned with their democratic principles, values and culture then so be it.

It’s not even about christianity historically – more so it’s about putting aside all religions and any beliefs that might overpower the principles of EU – democracy, human rights etc. Not to say that similar groups don’t already exist in some of our stronger EU member nations.

So just prove to the EU that the masses are in fact already aligned with these subjective criteria as well as have something to offer economically, these nations will move up a notch in the watch list.

September 27, 2009 at 4:31 am
(186) Vato says:

I am fine with Turkey and the Caucasus.

But Russia should never, never ever join the EU. That would be the second Soviet Union.

I also dont think that Russia is a country with Democratic Principles. it is a country which talks much about it but at the same time Russia is still stuck in an Imperialistic 19th Century. What Russia does is not democracy what Russia does is Imperialism, Communism, Racism and Terrorism!

September 28, 2009 at 7:25 am
(187) Der_Tolle_Mensch says:

Turkey and Azerbaijan belongs historically and cultural to Asia, they have come from central Asia in 11th century.

Georgia belongs to Europe, 100%

Armenia is something diferrant, it’s undefinable. You can’t even say that the armenians are a mix between asians and europeans, because they aren’t. No one can say where the origin of these Nation is. It’s a very very old Nation, with his own very particular Cultur, which was always dferrant from the others.
Armenia is an execption …

September 28, 2009 at 1:03 pm
(188) Vato says:

Nice man thats what I was trying to say the whole time!

September 29, 2009 at 2:37 am
(189) G says:

Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia are considered EurAsia. That’s right, the area is considered a hybrid because of its geopolitical position and not necessarily the culture of the peoples.

September 30, 2009 at 2:42 am
(190) T400 says:

I am from Azerbaijan, I dont understand why some of my Georgian and Armenian friends are so adamant to prove how European (thus superior) they are and how backward Asiatic Azerbaijan is :) ) We are 3 former Soviet countries, there are a lot of similarities among all the ex USSR countries. It is heavily influenced by Russian/Soviet culture. It is somewhat distinct, combining many elements from Europe and Asia. Thats the whole idea behind Eurasianism..to which we former Soviets are part. So please stop distantiating yourself from each other Caucasian comrades :) FYI Azerbaijan is the most Russian speaking among the three..

September 30, 2009 at 2:49 am
(191) T400 says:

That Azerbaijan is a majority Turkic nation does not make it Asian not it makes it European. There are references to things that happened centuries ago…but..bear in mind that culture and identity are not constant variables.. 11th century Caucasus and today’s Caucasus are completely different societies. All 3 republics were either part of Russian Empire or the Soviet Union since early 19th century… it cant go unnoticed. Azerbaijan, despite the fact that it is majority Muslim, is way more secular than both Georgia and Armenia together. I have been to both..so can tell.. but there nothing wrong with being religious (i am not).

September 30, 2009 at 7:41 pm
(192) Zaza Guatashvili says:

I am a Georgian and live in Tbilisi, the capital of Georgia. Georgia GEOGRAPHICALLY, is in Asia, and culturally it is neither European, nor Asian. However, if forced to chooose, I will say Georgia is more closely linked with Asia than Europe, end of discussion.

October 4, 2009 at 3:57 am
(193) Vato says:

You are not Georgian!!!

October 5, 2009 at 8:54 pm
(194) Lela Jgerenaia says:

This pdf document may be helpful:

http://www.harrimaninstitute.org/MEDIA/01397.pdf

October 9, 2009 at 1:17 pm
(195) Alex says:

Hi, i’m from Holland and i’ve been in Azerbaijan, Georgia and Armenia. Those 3 in Soviet era were considered as european but historically i guess they are on crossroads between Europe and Asia.. so i suggest that those countries are Eurasian..or Caucasian which have to make them special? Anyway, the dreary pieces of European soil doesn’t make of Turkey, Azerbaijan nor Georgia European. Baku looks very much as many of european capital cities but can be european style of architecture be attributed to muslim and pretty new nation azerbaijani’s? Definitly not so talking about european look and culture of Azerbaijan we should dig deeper and find out that all this stuff is just a heritage of the great past Oil industry achievments of this Russian province when Baku was even leading in the world.. so many of buildings in Baku were not only build in Russian european style but also in german.. by prisoners – germans after the WWII.
For those georgians that see Georgia more european and Armenia less i would say; yep, you’re right, but the only difference i have seen between these 2 undoubtedly more european in so many ways countries is that entire Georgia is for some reason :p decorated with hundreds of EU flags! Well, if that makes them feel more european… You can either feel presence of the east in the culture of these 3 coutries and there is nothing strange about that if you think about neigbouring countries (Turkey,Iran)…but it is very charming anyways!
Imho Turkey and Azerbaijan are identical and far away from being european in many ways.
Geogria and Armenia have been always affinitive to Europe and despite their current geografical situation are just the East-european countries.

October 9, 2009 at 2:43 pm
(196) Vato says:

Ok but when you talk about the European Flag you should know that this flag is also used by the “Council of Europe” where Georgia is member state.

http://www.coe.int/aboutCoe/index.asp?page=47pays1europe&l=en

October 9, 2009 at 2:52 pm
(197) Vato says:
October 12, 2009 at 9:26 am
(198) Cumbero says:

First, hello!

I want to add my piece of opinion into this long discussion (since 2006).
First of all, the question is “what is the definition of continent?”. Is it geographie, culture, DNA, religion, policts, demographics, etc.? I would say, it’s geographie. Forget about the rest!
As in many other comments, if you would take religon, politics or culutre as a criteria to define a continent, then Australia would be european, and almost (if not entirely) all of the Americas, Southafrica and Singapoer, etc. would all too be European countries.
What would happen if Spain conquered Marroco? Than Spain would belong to Africa? And just because the Canarian Island belong indeed to Africa, that would mean, that Spain is an African country? Well, indeed Spain is an European AND an African country. As well as Turky is both European AND Asian. Or Egypt is African AND Asian.
Or if you would take colonies as an example. If a colonie belongs to a country, than Great Britain would belong to Southamerica (Falkland Island) and not any more to Europe? Or France as well (French-Guayana), etc.
So, first you’ll have to define what are the borders of a continent.
Now, if a country is actually in two continents, then it belongs to the two continents. Turkey would therefore belong to Europe and Asia.
Now, if you would have to choose for a country only ONE continent, it would be absurd, it would make no sense at all.
So, where to put Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan??? Just look at the pre-defined geographical borders of each continent, and you’ll have your answer!

October 13, 2009 at 10:29 pm
(199) Jamahati says:

Where does one include Cyprus,Europe or Asia?

October 17, 2009 at 10:11 am
(200) Vato says:

Cumbero, the line drawn through Europe and Asia is Political and not Geographical!!! Got it??

November 3, 2009 at 11:47 am
(201) jess says:

I’VE BEEN TO ALL OF TO LISTED COUNTRIES AND I CAN NOT SAY THAT ALL BELONGS TO EUROPE. CULTURAL DİFFERENCES ARE VERY OBVİOUS. BUT TURKEY IS KIND OF IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY I GUESS. IT’S ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PLACES I HAVE EVER BEEN TO BUT NOT FULLY coherent in their beliefs. and as far as I know some kind of an inner tumult is going on there because of the different nations living in there.

November 11, 2009 at 1:58 pm
(202) AVROPA says:

actually its right that so many countries part of both continents.,turkey russia,caucasus countries and etc.in this case they gotta take a decision where they want to join.world gave desicion this countries.so if they wanna join in europe,we cant say any word.desicion belong them.thats Jealousy to say any thought that they not europeans.ıts truth.we have to live ourselves continents within peace.

November 11, 2009 at 2:06 pm
(203) alex-you are jelous says:

am daviow.from azerbaijan.yeah alex u re jelous.i dont believe that u re from netherland.u are armenian.and i dont care ur jelous comment.its doesnt care europeans.yes thats right azerbaijan-baku very beautiful than many europeans cities.but armenia looks like a sweping box.i ve alot of holland friends and they think that baku best in eastern europe.when they think about east they think of baku.and turkey also.istanbul historical european city which both continents connect.but armenia wil be the sweeping box every time.almost 1 milion people left their sweet country cause armenia.very dirty.they cant live in there.but who goin in baku said that he will goin in here every year.thats difference between this countries.armenians go to hell.and who talk about muslims not belong to europe,they stupid.its truths.kosova,bosnia,azerbaijan and turkey are europeans country….

December 7, 2009 at 6:49 pm
(204) CHUKWU NKEMAKOLAM SUNDAY says:

Well, considering the fact of total sence, i must declare to the World that those three countries in question are all European Communities from the Global search history though armenia has a little behavioral lifestyle like some Assian tradition that does not in anyway include them to be Assia brother or sister and i know what i am talking about because i have all the Global History in my palm from the 1st Century till date.

December 10, 2009 at 12:56 pm
(205) John EU Watch says:

Armenian is in Asia, they have nothing in common with Europe. Turkey is reconised as beining the border of West and East and Armenian is on the east side or Turkey, so that make them Asian.
Also most of the people from Armenian do not look Eropean, 90% look Indain or Iranian.
They are not European!

December 15, 2009 at 12:20 am
(206) James O'Conell says:

John EU, is your name really John? From those spelling mistakes and grammar it seems otherwise… anyways. Also, where do you get your statistics from (90%)?

I’m not Armenian but have many Armenian friends (they don’t look Indian or Iranian to me – not that there’s anything wrong with that, I would personally say they’re more similar to Greeks or Italians). I studied Armenian History at CSU Fresno, and will be visiting Armenia next year.

I can say that historically, before the Turks and Mongols arrived, Armenia stretched out much further west and east. It was actually a Roman province once, it was then next to the Greek Byzantian kingdom.

Due to its conquerors and history of occupation, it has become much much smaller than it used to be, and is now in its present form, more towards the east.

Whichever way you look at it, for all intensive purposes Armenia historically and culturally is a European nation. Their language, religion, culture, way of thinking, are all strong examples.

Besides, as a previous poster mentioned, lines are politicall drawn nowadays. In the same example as Cyprus is part of the EU and is nowhere near Europe geographically, same goes with Armenia and Georgia.

I’m looking forward to my trip to Armenia!

December 15, 2009 at 4:52 am
(207) Greeko says:

PLEASE all of commentaries dont gets the reasen or example that armenians look like greeks /i know these fukin ugly peoples as palm of my hand/they looks animal much more than people.i am greek an i not happy that you liken armenians to greeks.i hate all of armenians.they so unreilable peoples.never trust them.but azeries and georgians manly reliable guys.these two countries(georgia,azerbaidzan)i think in europe completely//

December 17, 2009 at 1:17 pm
(208) David says:

Those countries are absolutely Asian.

December 18, 2009 at 2:28 pm
(209) Peter@Petronus says:

i dont think so..those countries as race,life style,political and geographical and historical looks like a european.more than azerbaidzan i can say.their people,country, and they play great part of europe energy safety.so Azerbaidzan integrate EU very quickly than other 2 nation…

January 5, 2010 at 7:19 am
(210) Jaz says:

IMO they belong to Asia.

And it would be nice if people, being very defensive of their opinions, refrain from calling others names, right?
Just because you are from Georgia, Armenia, or Azerbaijan and someone else from your country disagrees with your opinion, it doesn’t mean they’re not from that country or that they should be kicked out and move somewhere else.

January 5, 2010 at 4:56 pm
(211) Ramin says:

clayton where did you see white, blonde and blue eyed armenian? I am from Azerbaijan and I am acquainted with these nations better than all of you. Armenians are the darkest nation in Caucasus, because they formed their inhabitants in Caucasus after Russian-Iranian war in 1800s. They came from Arabian peninsula. Misterious Amaranth you do not know anything about economic life of these countries. How armenia may be the richest country in the region? Even our military budget is more than armenian state budget!!! I exactly understand one thong most of europeans do not want to see muslim country in Europe. However Europe and Asia are terms used much more before christianity and islam. Religion is not an indicator of identification as european or asian. We are Caucasians and we proud of this fact. I want to state that Asia is a cradle of culture. When we had civilizations, states most europeans did not have anything. Europe and Asia are relative division. It was made by people. It is impolite to divide nations into eur.s and asians.

January 5, 2010 at 4:59 pm
(212) Ramin says:

The real Caucasian has: white skin, dark hair and dark eyes. No blonde hair and blue eyes.

January 5, 2010 at 5:26 pm
(213) Ramin says:

In the end, Europe doesn’t want countries with their economical and social problems. If some people think that Azerbaijan has less chance to integrate into EU, they should remember that, we are the richest country in the region, we have the most gigantic natural resources. We provide Europe with hydrocarbon energy resources. What can offer other countries? Accept them as your part and you will be forced to solve their problems, those they cannot do by themselves. I am sure some people will argue that, Europe will use Azerbaijan till Azerbaijan beneficial for it. My answer: we do not give them oil for free, we earn money and invest it into education, new technologies and production. Our President Ilham Aliyev pursues a policy that will only improve Azerbaijan!!!

January 10, 2010 at 8:35 pm
(214) Arne Saknessumm says:

Well, look at National Geographic Atlas- maybe the family edition! You can’t argue with National Geographic.

January 11, 2010 at 10:53 am
(215) mike says:

Georgians are Asians, Armenians are Asians and Azeris are asians. They are all totally different from White Europeans. Plenty of people from the caucasus have brown skin, whereas Europeans are all white, hence europeans being white people. The same dynamic applies to Middle Easterners and South Asians, most are not as light as europeans, nor do they look like europeans, but a very tiny minority do due to georgaphic adaptation and uv radiation. Cacuasians are more closely related to and descend from Middle Easterners. Therefore Georgians are Asian as are armenians and Azeris. Whereas Europeans originally descend from South Asians and Central Asians. That is a very large difference. By the way people from the Caucasus were barred from entering the US at one point due to the ASIATIC barred zone act.

January 12, 2010 at 9:17 pm
(216) George says:

Mike get your facts right. Read books rather than having hot-headed emotional opinions that come from racist attitudes to Europeans. Armenians are of Thracian decent, having an indo-european language closely related to Iranian but ethnically closer to Greeks; Azeris, having the syntax “serb” in their title, are distantly related to the Serbians, with caucasian albanian and Turkic intermixture; Georgian language has not been tied to date to any other language group apart from other mountain caucasian languages.

The caucasus was never assimilated to the middle east in history and has remnants of a cultural heritage from Byzantine Turkey as well as contemporary Russia. Turkey has lost this since 1450s and its interior is largely subject to asian influences. Therefore, the caucasus is assigned to Europe. This is because the region from a cultural, political and historical standpoint has repelled and been protected from stagnant asian forces. Iran on the other hand has suffered successive invasions over the last 2000 years and has inhereted a bad religion that has disallowed democratic thought or beliefs – unlike the Caucasus.

January 27, 2010 at 5:45 pm
(217) Annika says:

Wikipedia makes this comment under Europe: The divisions between Asia and Europe occur at the Ural Mountains, Ural River and Caspian Sea in the east, the Caucasus Mountains and the Black Sea with its outlets, Bosporus and Dardanelles in the south. Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Russia and Turkey are considered part of both Europe and Asia. Armenia and Cyprus, which are entirely in Western Asia, are sociopolitically European countries.

So it is Asia. Sociopolitically Europe, does that mean it makes people feel good to say Europe rather than Asia and if so Why? What do Armenians feel? Or are they divided in this answer as well?

January 31, 2010 at 6:52 am
(218) Dawidow244 says:

yeah..but kazaks not fallin on europe..!!in caucas azerbaijan and georgia are completely in europe..!!little part russia and turkey belong to europe..but kazaks not so..!!therefore georgians and azeries might join in eu so easy.!!but same not goes to russians and turkey.!!

February 4, 2010 at 3:16 pm
(219) mike says:

Linguistics do not determine genetics. The armenians are an anatolian/caucasian people. The Azeris are mainly a turkified caucasian people who are not related to Serbs or Eastern Europeans by any considerable degree. In a similar fashion anatolians are a turkified people, with limited genetic contribution from central asia and prior to that they were a hellenized people with limited genetic contribution from greece. The inhabitants of the Caucasus (including northern caucasia btw) and Europeans descend from different migratory waves. They mainly originate from middle eastern peoples, whereas europeans mainly descend from different migratory groups coming to europe through west asia from south asia. Byzantine was a eurasian civilization, it had european as well as middle eastern elements. By the way “george” the azeris are muslims and so are a great percentage of georgians. The Azeris who makeup up to 30% of iran’s populations are actually the most fanatical backers of the islamic republic of iran. The iranians were always an asian people as were caucasians. Culture and politics do not determine genetics nor do they determine geography.

February 22, 2010 at 5:27 pm
(220) Lorraine says:

I home school my daughters. We all agree with your thoughts on these countries being placed in the Asia geography study rather than Europe.

February 23, 2010 at 5:26 am
(221) check it up says:

The nature and boundaries between Europe and Asia is more a sociopolitical question than a geographical one, since there is no tectonic plate boundary separating the two. Many geologists and geographers agree that Europe and Asia share many common geographical features and they are in many geological respects the single continent Eurasia. While Europe is considered a geographical entity, it is done so as a super-peninsula of the mainland of Asia, as is for example, the Indian subcontinent, which even resides on a different tectonic plate than the rest of Asia and Europe.

The eastern boundary of Europe has been variously defined since antiquity. Herodotus regarded Europe as extending all the way to the Eastern Ocean, and being as long as (and much larger than) Africa and Asia together. The modern world is in consensus that Europe ends at the Aegean Sea, the Black Sea, the Caspian Sea and the Ural Mountains, but the boundaries between these latter three features are uncertain; that leading from the Urals to the Black Sea, for example, has been drawn by different authorities as at the Don, the Kuma-Manych Depression, the Caucasus, the Russian frontier or the Rioni River.

Some atlases state that the Europe-Asia boundary follows the watershed of the Ural Mountains from near Kara, Russia on the Kara Sea to the source of the Ural River, then follows that river to the Caspian Sea. The border then follows the watershed of the Caucasus Mountains from the Caspian Sea to the Black Sea.

By this definition, the Greater Caucasus mountains are on the border of Europe and Asia. Mount Elbrus is north of the watershed divide and would be entirely in Europe by this definition, making it the highest point in Europe. The Lesser Caucasus is located entirely in Asia by this same criterion. The Turkish city Istanbul lies in both Europe and Asia, making it a transcontinental city. Georgia and Azerbaijan both have most of their territory in europe, although each has small parts of its south territory in asia..
Georgia-eastern europe,western asia(politically completely in europe)
Azerbaijan-eastern europe,western asia(politically completely in europe)
so İ think that in caucas only 2 country should join in EU.and only these 2 country we have to accept as european.

February 27, 2010 at 11:36 am
(222) Marika says:

Antient Greek people wrote, that the border between Europe and Asia is located on three rivers of Georgia: Rioni, Kvirila and Mtkvari. You should believe, that the theory which says that the border crosses Caucases was told by USSR, because it would be difficault for them to be located on two continents at the same time! Many I’m sure that the border crosses the mountains “Little Caucases” between Georgia and Armenia. There is another thing too. The religion! Georgians and Armenians are Christians and Azerbaijanians are Muslims, like Asia.

February 27, 2010 at 11:44 am
(223) Marika says:

Georgia is Europe. I was studying Caucases for 10 years and this I know! And Georgians are Christians like Europeans and not Muslims, like Azerbaijan and Asia. Georgians and Armenians CAN BE europians, but not Azerbaijan just because it’s located nearby. According to Ethnic turks they are Turkish people.

March 1, 2010 at 5:11 am
(224) check it up says:

marika,i’ve been in these 3 countries.You can be sure of that azers looks europeans unlike armenians and georgians.all.those sılly racist opinions as old as ur birdbrain.Who you are that judge peoples of their religions!Who you are??somehow,no one can deny it.there are 4 muslims country in europe.politically and geographically.Azerbaijan,Bosnia-herzogovina,Kosova,Turkey.İn caucas we only take 2 country as european country.Georgia and Azerbaijan.thats it!!

March 4, 2010 at 3:42 pm
(225) Bill says:

Georgia is also on the Black Sea which is not bisected by a
mountain range. So is a seaport town like Batumi or Poti in Europe? and Tblisi a city definitely East of the Caucasus mountains in Asia?

It is definitely a complicated question. I asked a couple of Georgians what they thought and the answers varied from one to another.

March 6, 2010 at 5:15 pm
(226) HumorMe says:

I have to agree with the author of this article. If Turkey is mostly considered part of Asia then certainly countries to its east and south are also Asian, including Armenia and Azerbaijan. I know that Armenians especially rather be called Europeans but Geography dictates otherwise.

By the way, middle east is not a seperate entity. it too is part of the Asian continent and many from that region do not like to be categorized as middle eastern.

March 27, 2010 at 8:22 am
(227) World Map says:

georgia and azerbaijan in europe..u can see it in geography wikipedies ..and some says that if u are muslim then u are couldnt been an european..!!how silly opinion…!!!..then spains live in under arab occupation almost 800 year and much more than spains beens muslim..then spain not belong to europe..!!..bosnia,kosova,much more albanian,macedonians are muslims…so half of balkan not in Europe??..somes look this matter with their racist viewpoint…if we are talkin about these three countries then georgia and azerbaijan seems mostly european and geograpy tell like this..!!..yeah armenians christians but malaysians christians too..so no one talk about that malaysia in europe or asia??

March 30, 2010 at 11:25 pm
(228) ELchin says:

Hey guys stop fighting . There is just one answer.i
m from France and Georgia and Azerbaijan is in Europe. Thats all and about armenians they will never be in europe cuz if u study history armenians they had no land they came and asked to live from somebody that is the history. Azerbaijan And Georgia in Europe. doesnt mean that Azerbajan is muslim country so ?? muslim country cant be in europe ?Azerbaijan is a secular state and ensures religious freedom. Of the nation’s religious minorites. so shut ur mouse up and read some books .

April 6, 2010 at 9:18 am
(229) Anathema says:

Hey Elchin seems like living in Europa has given u the wrong impression of your smartness…u r an asian as long as u bear this kind of mind.
again u azeries (or turks) try to sneak your foolish lies into all kinds of forums…
Azerbaijan is a secular state and ensures religious freedom!!?? well…how about Aliev dinasty?? dictatorship that u yourself don’t realize but it’s so obvious from outside- u’re the laughin spot for the world…think about that instead of blubbering about “history”..
“Caucasian Tatars” that have a history of barely 200years and got to be called azeri only lately, infused with hatred and ignorance, don’t have the right to judge ANYONE…

April 14, 2010 at 5:05 pm
(230) pero says:

Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaycan are Asian countries. Geographcally 100% as in this area Caucassus is the border and the northern side is European, southern is Asian. Before the Europe-Asia boundary was Kuma-Manych walley what means that also nothern Caucassus was considered to be in Asia.
Culturally they are also Asian. Why a Christian nation has to necessarily be European? Lebanon is also half Christian, Philippines are Christian country …and they are Asian 100%. I do not know why today everyone wants to become European?
Nowadays some circles want to include Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaycan to Europe, Turks want to be considered as Europeans although in fact the are not..what is the sanse?
However Russians as pure Europeans, many of them do not consider them Euroeans although they are much more European than Turks or Georgians or Armenians or Azeris.
Europe is an artificial continent and the boundary is subject to agreement…when I walked in Ural mountans I do not know in which continent I am and if there were no obelisks I would not know where the Europe-Asia border actually is.

April 14, 2010 at 10:15 pm
(231) John says:

Pero,

your statement is purely emotional and uneducated. You obviously don’t read books and probably make an asshole of yourself in conversations. You need to read history, take into account democracy and religion.

If you are dicarding the factor of religion, please bear in mind not to generalise with islam as it varies from country to country. For example, Iran’s Islam has it’s root from heretics from the early Byzantine empire. Pakistan’s Islam reflects a very largely uneducated system. Turkey has secular islam.

There are some asshole countries in Europe (some) that need to be kicked out too :)

April 16, 2010 at 10:59 am
(232) Johan Bergier says:

who do u think ur foolin my asian friends..as far as i saw that asians exhıbıt so negative attitue for to being an european.cause thats seems so clear they begun to wrıte so pointless and uneducated words for this matter.please just read geographical books and wikipedies at least .Then u’ll see that Georgia and Azerbaidzan in Europe.Geographers alwys confused from that,cause their geographıcal posıtıon intersect between europe and asia,west and east.So i can say that those countrıes are mixed half from europe and half from asia but much more europa.just take a look those countries and u can see nothing for asian style.european culture,architectural euro buıldıngs and much more that this u’ll see in there..this uneducated thoughts as old as theır birdbrain!! (:

April 17, 2010 at 4:13 pm
(233) pero says:

John

in this area the boundary between Europe and Asia is Caucassus montains and everything what is sounthern from the peaks is Asia. All these three countries (Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaycan) are behind Caucassus peaks and are in Asia and everything is clear. They can have pure European culture if they want but as Europe is also geographical phenomen they should be considered as Asian.
Yes I know Georgian culture has many European elements (mouch more than Armenian or Azeri) as well as many Asiatic elements. As far as I know even Georgia was never considered as a part of Europe in the past and do not know why they want to be Europeans so much. I know man Georgians, some of they say they are European, others say the opposite.
I have nothing against Georgians or Armenians or Azeri, some are very good people, but they cannot be European. I know many of them have bule eyes and are not dark at all…but also many Egpyptians and Syrians are very white and are not Europeans.
Before moving the Aueo-Asian boundary to Caucassus the border was more nothern, Kuma-Manych walley what was a more real cultural boundary. Nothern Caucassus nations like Dagestanis, Chchens, Ingushets and so on are culturally not European.
Which “asshole as you mention so” countries need to be kicked out from Europe? Mine is 1000% European.

April 17, 2010 at 7:31 pm
(234) Ross says:

Some comments on here ( especially and ironically from those actually residing in Georgia and Armenia) are f****ing stupid. Culture, politics, and race have absolutely nothing to do with this question. This is purely geography. And GEOGRAPHICALLY, a majority of Georgia, a majority of Azerbaijan, and none of Armenia reside within Asia. Now I’ve always thought that the entirety of these countries were in Asia, but actually some parts are in europe ( similar to turkey). Of these three Azerbaijan is the one with this most european territory ( odd that its a muslim country-sarcasm for the idiot posters). We all know this is a euro-centric world and every country would love to be a part of europe…but it shouldnt be that way. All countries should be proud of their own heritage and history and when countries like the Caucasus and kazakhstan start playing in the euro cup and joining the EU I cant help but think these people have some insecurity or shame in their culture. (by the way f*** off if your going to reply about my spelling…I can give a shit to edit my work on a forum)

April 19, 2010 at 12:04 am
(235) Zlatan says:

Geographically Azerbaijan and Georgia have parts in Europe. Armenia is entirely in Asia, however is culturally very related to Europe. I traveled in Georgia and Azerbaijan and it felt very european. Their culture is sort of mix of Balkan, slavic,communistic and middle east. Actually all the countries share Caucasian culture which is more european. I see all 3 countries as future members of Europe.

April 27, 2010 at 1:59 pm
(236) Dave B says:

All three countries were part of the Soviet Union up until ’91, on the european side, to the left of the urals. The caucassus mountains, which territory they are in conatins europes largest mountain. The world atlas also deems the countries as part of Europe, which is the atlas the world uses as a standard, so why years of arguments. It’s clearly defined. It doesn’t matter what the petes, pedros and vladamirs of this world believe, thats just the way it is.

May 1, 2010 at 3:48 pm
(237) Tina says:

Hi there ,
:)
What a debate :)

I am from Georgia and in my opinion Georgia is an European country because of its religion, culture, the way of life

and the most omportant thing that the white race (europeans) is called “Caucasians”

May 10, 2010 at 12:13 am
(238) Holger says:

The southeast boundary of Europe extends from the Bosphorus Strait (located in Turkey, which separates Europe from Asia) to the Black Sea, the crest of the Caucasus Mountains, and the Caspian Sea.

Physically, GEORGIA and ARMENIA are all south of the Caucasus Mountains, and are therefore in Asia while AZERBAIJAN is a transcontinental state, because its territory is in both, Europe and Asia, like Russia or Turkey. In other words, Azerbaijan is on both sides of the crest of the Caucasus Mountain Range.

However, Armenia and Georgia have a greater affinity to European nations due to Christianity and language (Indo-European), and are also one of the inheritors of the Byzantine tradition. Meanwhile, Azerbaijan with its Muslim faith and Islamic tradition, its Turkic language (non Indo-European) and its remoteness to the major European centers, has generally been closer to the states in the East. It was with the Russo-Persian War of 1826-1828 and its subsequent absorption into the Russian Empire that Azerbaijan was “incorporated” to the Western World. Furthermore, all three populations have fluid genetic make-up and personal histories.

So, in answer to the question: Yes! ALL three ARE part of Europe.

May 15, 2010 at 4:10 am
(239) Scorpio says:

I agree to Zlatan. Culture of Georgia, Azerbaijan & Armenia is very close to Balkan culture, cose the Balkan culture itself very much influenced by the Mediterranean, Turkic and Hellenic cultures. Even religion preferences of Caucasus inhabitants are the same like Balkan countries Georgians in Caucasus, Serbs and Bulgarians in Balkans are orthodoxies, Azeri in Caucasus, Boshaks, Albans and Turks (minority) in Balkans are the Muslims. In terms of religion aspect Armenians closer to ancient Eastern Church (Ethiopian and Syrian Christians (see in Wikipedia). Music, habits, life style and sometimes even appearance of Caucasians are very similar to Balkan people. Still I agree Slavic people of Balkans (not Albanians, I have happened to observe them many times, they happen to appear same as the Caucasus people) lighter than Caucasus people. If the appearance, i.e. racial difference is the really factor, I mean the classic image of Europeans portrayed by the some European apologists, so Europeans are only the inhabitant of North and Central Europe, i.e. blue-eyed blondes, who do not have to do with most of Spanish, Portuguese, Greeks and South Italians. Besides according to different sourced, not only Wikipedia, Georgia and Azerbaijan have several bounds to European subcontinent, Europe is contiguous Asia on Caucasus and Black Sea, and border between two continents lies at the southern Caucasus Mountains (Greater Caucasus range), and Caspian Sea to the east, unlike Armenia, which is in totally in Asia.
As for language differentiation, so according to the gentlemen above, all Indians, Pakistani, Kurdish, Burmans, Malaysians, Persians and e.t.c., about 2 billion people welcome to the Europe, and Hungarians and Finnish people go out, because they are Finno-Ugric, not to mention, related to the Turkic

May 22, 2010 at 1:09 am
(240) Tahir Karimov says:

Hi, my name is Tahir, and I am from Tashkent, Uzbekistan.
I think Azerbaijan is the only one from those three that actually need to be in Asia. The only reason they joined and wanted to be in Europe is because they need the support of Europe to develop them selves. Asia is less developed than Europe, so they need the European’s support to rise. The cultures, history, and many other things of Azerbaijan is just like Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan. Before the 20s, there was No country called Azerbaijan, they were all controlled by the central asian countries. I personally believe that their place is in Asia. They just cant be in Europe, they don’t have the needs. Selling oil wont last long, and that is the only income they have to support them selves. 10, 20, 30 years and that oil will finish sooner or later. After that they will just go down, just like they went down after the world war 2 because soviets didnt need any oils from them. They are like standing on a huge rock with lack of support for the rock it self. When that rock falls, they will also fall…

May 26, 2010 at 8:43 pm
(241) Kurt says:

“Cultural ties are not the matter in this destinction at all. Sometimes there seems to be an underlying notion of considering the European culture (whatever that is) superior to the Asian culture (whatever that is) and thus want these states to belog to Europe. That’s incorrect in many ways.
Australia is not a European country just because the people there speak a handsome English accent”

No, they’re considered European culturally because their cultures are viewd as more European than Asian; it has nothing to do with anyone beliving something’s superior…

Australian’s don’t have an English accent, they have Australian accents….

May 27, 2010 at 6:21 pm
(242) what? says:

It is obvious to me that this really is a sociopolitical debate and not a geographical one. They are in Europe or Asia depending on what dividing line you are using. Using one mountain range they are partially in Europe and using another they are not at all-to me that means they are in Asia. The people saying you haven’t been to Europe if you think they are Asian are delusional. I lived half of my life in Europe. Because we live in a world that loves everything western and European it seems everyone wants to be considered European. Make no mistake there are many (if not most) Europeans who do not consider these countries European. I have seen blatant prejudice towards these groups and their desperation to be European in Europe. Armenians are much more like the Middle East culturally and in there way of thinking. There are also many Armenians who look Middle Eastern-though I’m sure they don’t like to admit it. People from the middle east come in a huge range of colors. Most of them are not blonde with blue eyes as one poster tried to say. There are many people in Turkey who are whiter than Armenians and also people from Azerbaijan. I know Georgians who are dark and wear clothing like that in Southern asia. All of the cultures here take some influences from European countries. Many western US states take culture from Mexico but that doesn’t make us Mexican! You can think they are part of whatever continent you want but don’t start making up lies or trying to make them seem more European than they are. People should know about Armenias relations with Iran by now. There is nothing wrong with them NOT being European.

May 28, 2010 at 1:50 pm
(243) Samir Rustamli says:

Hi, my name is Samir and I’m from Azerbaijan. I see many people argue that Georgians and Armenians are Europeans but Azeris are Asians. Firstly, Armenians are not Europeans, because they came to Caucasus from Middle East (Syria,Lebanon, etc.) I think Georgians can be considered Europeans, due to their history and culture. What about Azeris? Azerbaijan is a muslim country, but not like Iran. For example in Baku you can find only some mosques. Azerbaijan is the first republic among muslim countries (1918, 28 may). We had the first theatre, opera and etc. among muslims. For me, Azerbaijan is between Europe and Asia. You cannot definitely consider Azerbaijan as Asians nor Europeans. In fact Azerbaijan is a big country, we are not just situated in Caucasus. The north part of Iran, South Part of Russia (Derbent), East Part of Georgia (Borchali, Marneuli, etc) and Turkey (Igdir,Kars,Ardahan,Erzurum) as well as all Armenia were our lands. So it means, we share some parts of Europe and Asia. And we don’t really care if we are asians or europeans, because our own identity – Azeri is enough for us and we are proud of it. It would be better if we join the EU, but after economic crises in Greece and Spain,I think nobody would like to join the EU.

May 28, 2010 at 2:26 pm
(244) Samir Rustamli says:

Moreover, Tahir Kerimov mentioned that we didn’t have a country before 1918. I think you have never read our history. We had ancient states called Albania, Atropatena (Aderbayqan), then Shirvan, Atabeyler, Safavid Empire (Shah Ismayil Khetai 1501) etc. Maybe we didn’t have a country till 1918 called Azerbaijan (Azerbaijan is a geographical name, and you can see this name on ancient maps), but it doesn’t mean that we didn’t have a state. For example, there was never a country called Uzbekistan before 19th century. But we cannot say that Uzbeks didn’t have a state,because at least you had Bukhara khanate. Furthermore, you mentioned oil issue. I don’t think that after oil and gas finish we are gonna starve, because we are rich of other natural resources.
p.s. I couldn’t understand why you are so angry with Azerbaijan? Because we are close to Europe and you are in Central Asia? I think you should not care if you are asian, european or afrikan. It is not a bad thing to be in Asia, take it easy.

June 11, 2010 at 10:20 am
(245) Ibero-Colchis says:

I am Georgian and therefore I am a real Caucasian :D

June 15, 2010 at 8:00 pm
(246) john says:

Georgians have much more in common with the Middle east than with Europe. Culturally they’re largely part of the residual Byzantine Orthodox sphere of influence. Byzantine as you know stands where Turkey is today. Much of the Middle East in general was orthodox christian prior to the arrival Islam. Would that have made Assyrians or Egyptians for example European 1,500 years ago? Of course not. Christianity is a middle eastern religion to begin with. Do not forget that. Genetically Georgians are Middle Eastern and are on average closer to a dark brown skinned Yemenite than to a European. Azeris are also Asians. While collectively Georgians and Azeris may have been subjected to about 80 years of Soviet propaganda, the Soviet version of history which aimed to ease ethnic tensions and diffuse societies comfortably into the Communist Russian sphere of influence (see the effects of soviet sway in central asia, especially kazakhstan) the Soviet version of
history has little to do with reality.

June 16, 2010 at 1:14 am
(247) Jerry says:

John,

the soviet empire did not aim to ease ethnic tensions and diffuse societies comfortably – that is bullshit! You need to read books and come up with real facts not nonsense! The soviets actually conquered the north caucasus by force and have left their brutal mark eversince NB Chechnyan wars.

The soviets also created the enclave of nagorno karabagh and Iranian Azerbiajan through the Treaty of Turmkmanchay, displacing alot of people and causing haevy ethnic tension NB war between 1989 and 1994.

Secondly, Christianity did not take hold in Asia to begin with atv all. The Byzantine empire was a Christian empire and did not undergo a schism until 1031, 400 years after Islam started. Only then, orthodox Christianity started.

Georgians are not middle eastern – they are caucasians not semites – as most middle easterners are. If most scholars have not specifically traced their roots, what makes you think you know them.

Byzantium was a Greek Christian empire that throughout its time, fought against saracen arabs, scythians, Bulgars etc to hold its integrity and gave a lot to Europe during the middle ages. One of their major goals was to fight islam. Therefore, it was a European empire, NOT ASIAN.

If you have those kinds of opinions, don’t go to ASIAN libraries and cme up with shit like that, go to ones with BOOKS :)

June 16, 2010 at 2:52 pm
(248) Vincent says:

Is this really a discussion?

STRICTLY GEOGRAPHY speaking – Georgia and Azerbaijan are located partially in Europe partially in Asia, and Armenia is located entirely in Asia.

“Poitical Europe” is phrase used allowing countries into the European Council and other political organizations. “Political Europe” includes allGeographical European countries and countries with close relationships/histories and geographically near Europe (mainly Cyprus and Armenia). However – GEOGRAPHICALLY speaking Cyprus and Armenia are in Asia.

August 20, 2011 at 9:09 pm
(249) Edward says:

Your jokes belong to the jokes hall of fame. Armenia is closer to the europe than either Azerbaijan or Georgia. Georgia is south of asian Russia and Azerbaijan is no where closer. They are on the west side of the lower caspian ocean, east side of which is central asia.
Maybe you think Daugestan is also part of Europe.
Ok vincent, what ever you say.

June 17, 2010 at 9:33 am
(250) Chetan says:

I have stayed in Georgia and feel that though they are white their culture is more similar to asian culture and they have strong family ties that bind them. You rarely find this in European culture. Even the language Kartuli uses many asian words and the script is in no way similar european, but is similar to asian scripts.

June 18, 2010 at 6:19 am
(251) Philip says:

Geographically speaking: Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan are part of the Eurasian plate. (See “Plate Tectonics” on Wikipedia etc.) Therefore you can classify these countries as belonging to Europe or Asia.

Genetically speaking: The Georgians and Armenians belong to the Caucasian Race (ie. descendants of Noah’s son Japheth). Wheareas the Azeris are Turkic peoples and are descendants of Noah’s son Shem. Therefore Georgia and Armenia are European nations whereas Azerbaijan is an Asian nation.

Culturally speaking: Although the Armenian & Georgian language does not resemble the Indo-European languages spoken in Europe, nevertheless both of their writing systems are written from left to right rather than from right to left. Therefore it is still arguably European in culture.
Christianity originated in Asia but it is a universal religion and therefore it should be put aside from this “cultural” argument.
I should also mention that just because the Georgians and Armenians have adopted certain aspects of “Asian” cultures, it does not mean that they have become an Asian race.
If we decided to use the cultural criteria to define nation states, then Canada, United States, Australia would be European countries.
Likewise, if South African Europeans drove out all the africans in South Africa and the Israelis drove out all the Palestinians in Palestine, then Israel and South Africa would then be European nations.

Therefore, my observation is that if the Caucasian race is classified/defined as “European”, then all countries who are predominantly Caucasian would be logically classified as a European race regardless of geography. A caucasian is a caucasian regardless where they live. For example, the “Tajiks” (ie. Sarikoli & Wakhi) in China have undeniable “Caucasian” features and look just like Europeans. If they ever become independence one day, does that mean that they are a “European” nation?

Maybe we should ask Noah’s sons on how they decided to partition the world between the three of them. The son Ham definitely chose Africa for his descendants. Perhaps Japheth’s descendants chose to settle in all the lands North of the Caucasus (or Mt. Ararat?). wherever Japheth’s descendants settle down in, that place would be known as “European”.

June 28, 2010 at 1:32 pm
(252) Pyotr Joksimovic says:

Yeah as far as i see Caucasians are very similar with Balkans.Their culture,their race,their countries and much more than reasons..Especially Azers called as ex-Balkanians.İ read about from some books.They show up some archaelogical finds and they claimed that Azers and Bulgars have a same ancestors. Also if you carefully research history of Caucas then you’ll face with older nations(Atropatena and Albania) name that placed into current Azerbaijan.So we know that Geographers and Historians considered Azers as a 1st folk that came in caucas before Armenians and Georgians.So,lets check out in Atropatena.its created during the death of Alexander Macedonian(b.c323).After death of Alexander,azers(atropatens) came to caucas from Balkan.And creator kral Atropat and Perdikie which is most closer commander of Alexander.So they were created the first nation in the Caucas.Thats some historical knowledges about Caucas.So if we discussing about which of Them belong to Europe,then answer will be the same all the way.Azers and Georgians are the part of Europe.Every geographer accept and confirmed it.İts not even matter of discussion.But they should take into account of Armenins as well..Therefore armenians considered as european land even though they dont look like european at all.Their history,their race totally asian.Everyone think that if they are christian then they are european.Thats the big bullshit.Your religion doesnt make a sense…Azerbaijan and Georgia fully european countries.But i cant say it for Armenia.

June 29, 2010 at 6:24 am
(253) Jeremy Robinson says:

omg wtf is wrong with these ppl, armenia and all those lebs or arabs w/e are asian or middle east (terrorist territory)! u guys think ur european?? no, guess wat ur not even close to europe. someone told me hes armenian and armenia is in eastern europe, in his dream maybe but the fact is that it is in asia, ppl there are called asians thts it i dun fking care about they religion or culture, asians like hong kong and some part of china have christian, catholic religions, they arent called europeans for living like europeans. go be ashame of being asian if u are armenia. true europeans = english, french, etc.

July 8, 2010 at 2:27 pm
(254) Lech Trafonski says:

i guess headline of discussion should be like this:”Armenia is in Europe or in Asia?..cause what kinda stupid might say that Aserbaidzan or Georgia in Asia or Europe..Just all of geographical books,wikipedies,every geographers says that these 2 country belong to Europe.But they find it hard to say it for Armenians.So i think they right.Armenia totally is Asian nation,Georgia and Aserbidzan completelly european.

July 13, 2010 at 7:50 am
(255) vlada says:

Well,Armenia,Georgia and Azerbaijan participate in Eurovision Song Contest,but that doesn’t mean they are in Europe.Those 3 countries are under Caucas mountain so i think they are in Asia

July 29, 2010 at 11:19 am
(256) SSC says:

When in the process of empire building the host nation for the empire often attempts to reconcile and justify its extra-territorial claims by having colonized nations identifying with the host in some form or another. This actually pre-dates the Soviet Union, going back to the Russian empire. All empires are built through the use of brute force. What is more relevant to the sustainability of the empire, however is the integration of the newly acquired territories. That process requires nurturing harmony between the nations and often times ideological indoctrination. This is referred to by historians as Sovietization which involves the adoption of the political system based on the Soviet model and the adoption of the way of life and mentality modeled after the USSR.

It is a fact that the Soviets implemented in Slavicisation and russification programs. In fact many Soviet programs aimed at ethnic unity and maintaining harmony. This included revising history and in stilling propaganda in the minds of all colonized by the USSR to identify with its largest population and power base (Russians). This is why you also such massive Russian influence in Central Asia, specifically in states such as Kazakhstan. Those are facts. There is a reason why the central asian states now utilize Cyrillic alphabets. Surely emphasizing commonalities and perceived commonalities would be preferable to stressing ethnic and cultural differences?

It is you who should be rereading your history Jerry in order to prevent humiliating yourself in the future. Georgia and the Caucasus were previously under the occupation of the Russian empire. The USSR merely re-orchestrated the incorporation of various territories of the former Russian empire into the new Communist Russia.
The reason why the Communists supported the establishment of Nagorno-Karabakh into Azerbaijan was to appease the Turks who they hoped would become more communist leaning overtime with Soviet encouragement. If it was not for Turkey Karabakh would have remained as part of Armenia. The Treaty of Turkmenchay was signed as a political convenience. Iran had agreed to recognize Russian Suzerainty over the Caucasus as the Shah had feared that the Russians would conquer Tehran as they had explicitly threatened. This treaty involved the mandate of resettling Armenians to the Caucasus from Persia. Of course towards the end of the USSR when the Soviets could no longer maintain their empire regional conflicts erupted as countries reverted to decentralized control and nationalism started to take precedence over communism.
Anatolia is ASIA MINOR. The Byzantine empire was centered in Asia. Constantinople is a Eurasian city. The Byzantine empire was the christian empire at the time which was the main sponsor of spreading Christianity and specifically targeted eliminating other Jewish heresies which they came into contact with. The early church founders were from Asia and Asia Minor. At that time Anatolia was Hellenized in the same way that today it is Turkified. However the majority population is still native Anatolian, not Greek or Central Asian Turkic. Orthodox Christianity as in Byzantine Orthodox Christianity is much more akin to earlier Christianity than Catholicism or Protestantism. Orthodox is literally meaning according to the dictionary “adhering to the Christian faith as expressed in the early Christian ecumenical creeds” and “adhering to what is commonly accepted, customary, or traditional”. The schism mainly signified the independence of Rome and the acknowledgement of the legitimacy of Western man’s interpretation of christianity in the form Western Christianity.

Georgians are Middle Eastern, not only are they Western Asian on a geographical basis, but on a genetic basis your average Georgian is closer to an Arab than to a European. Most Caucasians are not Europeans and have different origins from Europeans. European type dna is European r1b, European r1a and I. Georgians are mainly J2 and G2, making them cluster more closely with their fellow Middle Easterners. This is proven genetic science. Persians and Kurds are not semites either, but they’re obviously still Middle Eastern.

Byzantine was a HELLENIC empire. Most denizens of Byzantines were not actual Greeks, perhaps Greek Christians but not Greeks. Most Muslims are not Arabs either by that same token. The bulk of the population of Byzantine consisted of Native Anatolians that were Hellenized and had become Hellenized Christians. That same population today now identifies as Turkish Muslim, yet how many of them actually look like Central Asian Turkics with epicanthic folds? The early Jews of course from Babylon to Palestine were Asians. There were many Christian semites within the Byzantine empire that also took up arms and fought against the Muslim Arabs. Christianity was originally as foreign to Europe as Islam is today. The Byzantine empire may have preserved ancient Greek texts (although that wasn’t too difficult to do considering the massive amount of copies floating around the Mediterranean) however how many mathematical, scientific and technological accomplishments were made during the Byzantine period? It was effectively a stagnant civilization that was only intent on preserving the integrity of its borders to the best of its abilities. Even Westerners rarely delve into Byzantine advancements and are more willing to focus on Persian advancements during the Middle ages.

“Jerry” is clearly in need of a refreshment in history.

July 29, 2010 at 11:21 am
(257) SSC says:

When in the process of empire building the host nation for the empire often attempts to reconcile and justify its extra-territorial claims by having colonized nations identifying with the host in some form or another. This actually pre-dates the Soviet Union, going back to the Russian empire. All empires are built through the use of brute force. What is more relevant to the sustainability of the empire, however is the integration of the newly acquired territories. That process requires nurturing harmony between the nations and often times ideological indoctrination. This is referred to by historians as Sovietization which involves the adoption of the political system based on the Soviet model and the adoption of the way of life and mentality modeled after the USSR.

It is a fact that the Soviets implemented in Slavicisation and russification programs. In fact many Soviet programs aimed at ethnic unity and maintaining harmony. This included revising history and in stilling propaganda in the minds of all colonized by the USSR to identify with its largest population and power base (Russians). This is why you also such massive Russian influence in Central Asia, specifically in states such as Kazakhstan. Those are facts. There is a reason why the central asian states now utilize Cyrillic alphabets. Surely emphasizing commonalities and perceived commonalities would be preferable to stressing ethnic and cultural differences?

It is you who should be rereading your history Jerry in order to prevent humiliating yourself in the future. Georgia and the Caucasus were previously under the occupation of the Russian empire. The USSR merely re-orchestrated the incorporation of various territories of the former Russian empire into the new Communist Russia.
The reason why the Communists supported the establishment of Nagorno-Karabakh into Azerbaijan was to appease the Turks who they hoped would become more communist leaning overtime with Soviet encouragement. If it was not for Turkey Karabakh would have remained as part of Armenia. The Treaty of Turkmenchay was signed as a political convenience. Iran had agreed to recognize Russian Suzerainty over the Caucasus as the Shah had feared that the Russians would conquer Tehran as they had explicitly threatened. This treaty involved the mandate of resettling Armenians to the Caucasus from Persia. Of course towards the end of the USSR when the Soviets could no longer maintain their empire regional conflicts erupted as countries reverted to decentralized control and nationalism started to take precedence over communism.

Anatolia is ASIA MINOR. The Byzantine empire was centered in Asia. Constantinople is a Eurasian city. The Byzantine empire was the christian empire at the time which was the main sponsor of spreading Christianity and specifically targeted eliminating other Jewish heresies which they came into contact with. The early church founders were from Asia and Asia Minor. At that time Anatolia was Hellenized in the same way that today it is Turkified. However the majority population is still native Anatolian, not Greek or Central Asian Turkic. Orthodox Christianity as in Byzantine Orthodox Christianity is much more akin to earlier Christianity than Catholicism or Protestantism. Orthodox is literally meaning according to the dictionary “adhering to the Christian faith as expressed in the early Christian ecumenical creeds” and “adhering to what is commonly accepted, customary, or traditional”. The schism mainly signified the independence of Rome and the acknowledgement of the legitimacy of Western man’s interpretation of christianity in the form Western Christianity.

Georgians are Middle Eastern, not only are they Western Asian on a geographical basis, but on a genetic basis your average Georgian is closer to an Arab than to a European. Most Caucasians are not Europeans and have different origins from Europeans. European type dna is European r1b, European r1a and I. Georgians are mainly J2 and G2, making them cluster more closely with their fellow Middle Easterners. This is proven genetic science. Persians and Kurds are not semites either, but they’re obviously still Middle Eastern.

Byzantine was a HELLENIC empire. Most denizens of Byzantines were not actual Greeks, perhaps Greek Christians but not Greeks. Most Muslims are not Arabs either by that same token. The bulk of the population of Byzantine consisted of Native Anatolians that were Hellenized and had become Hellenized Christians. That same population today now identifies as Turkish Muslim, yet how many of them actually look like Central Asian Turkics with epicanthic folds? The early Jews of course from Babylon to Palestine were Asians. There were many Christian semites within the Byzantine empire that also took up arms and fought against the Muslim Arabs. Christianity was originally as foreign to Europe as Islam is today. The Byzantine empire may have preserved ancient Greek texts (although that wasn’t too difficult to do considering the massive amount of copies floating around the Mediterranean) however how many mathematical, scientific and technological accomplishments were made during the Byzantine period? It was effectively a stagnant civilization that was only intent on preserving the integrity of its borders to the best of its abilities. Even Westerners rarely delve into Byzantine advancements and are more willing to focus on Persian advancements during the Middle ages.
Jerry is clearly in need of a refreshment in history.

July 30, 2010 at 11:06 am
(258) Georg says:

All 3 nations (Armenians, Azeris, Georgians) share the same haplogroup. G2 type genes. Which is also found along the coast of Meddeterenian, in southern european nations.

July 30, 2010 at 3:08 pm
(259) Cent says:

Only haplogroup G2 is not European anymore than J2 and E1b1b are European. G is originally from SW Asia and is present in populations in Southern Europe and the Balkans. However so are Haplogroups E1b1b which is from Eastern Africa and J1 and J2 which are also from the Middle East. The core European population is European R1a, R1b and I.

August 1, 2010 at 6:37 pm
(260) Patricia says:

It’s not just the border, but culture, tradition, and religion that separates Asia from Europe in my opinion. While I personally consider both Armenia and Georgia to be in Eastern Europe, I do not feel the same for Azerbaijan, which to me is an Asian country.. but not the first two.

Armenia and Georgia = Eastern Europe
Azerbaijan = Asia

August 1, 2010 at 9:43 pm
(261) Lev says:

I just checked in Wikipedia that 65% of Georgia and 55% of Azerbaijan is in Europe. Armenia entirely is in Asia. So that makes Georgians the most european of the 3 (also due to their culture), second is Azerbaijan and then Armenia.

August 5, 2010 at 9:38 pm
(262) Just Me says:

Armenia is the oldest Aryan nation and the oldest civilisation. Armenians are not europeans, europeans are Armenians who migrated to Europe 3-4000 years ago. azeriz are turcic/iranian/tatar people, Georgians are caucasian people. End of story.

Real historian.

August 16, 2010 at 5:58 am
(263) Detlef Schmidt says:

Just me, you need to read a little bit about the history and the roots of the people in this region. Armenian is a small country and is not a Arian race either since the Armenian language is not an indo-Germanic language either. The only Arian country in your region is namely Iran even if you can not believe it. The Azerbaijani have Turkish language but they are not Turks, they are actually Arian and the Turks are Tartar.

August 22, 2010 at 12:20 pm
(264) Pırıyev says:

Geography couldn’t be considered as naive and neutral or purely objectıve – it has something to do with politics. Take Middle East for example – according to whom ‘middle’? Obviously to the 19th century Western European imperialism. Definitions are subjective, they don’t have clear-cut edges. They are a contested area. I used to call my country – Azerbaijan- European. But the prejudices I confronted made me not to say anything about being European anymore (not to say what I’m thinking – isn’t it related to hegemony? Isn’t it indirect suppression of freedom of expression of opinion?). It’s always related to hegemonic structure. Given the fact that the world wasn’t Euro-centric we wouldn’t discuss these issues and all the Caucasians would’t gıve damn on which continent their small country is situated. But because of the popularity of Europe (and unpopularity of Asia/ Middle East) people in Caucasus separate themselves from Asia and claim that they’re fellow Europeans. On the other hand, mostly western Europeans share different perceptions. They call us muslims which almost for all of the population Islam is a question of identity (identity attached us more firmly after the end of the Soviet Union( before we were just reds), not our beliefs, and we call ourselves more and more muslims also thanks to the West, or Samuel Huntington’s ‘epic’ theory on clash of civilizations. I have always been atheist but many times when I meet a Westerner the conversation is about my fuckıng Islamic
identity – which personally I don’t identify/care.

There’s a lot of British in Azerbaijan (many are working for BP, I also worked for this company) one of them opened a restaurant ın Baku that have belly dancers serving his orientalist (sexual) fantasies. Fucking belly dancers that we Azeris – stupid, bacward, dark-colored, uneducated, lame, poor, dirty freaks – had never heard of it before. And when guests from mainly Britain and other countries came to Baku we take them there (because it’s more appropriate for natives to show around – like Safari tours) and they see our culture: belly dancers which ‘have always been part of our fucking culture.’ Afterwards those fine gentlemen fuck those belly dancers (they’re usually prostitutes our British co-workers had spent hard times to find, they also went through hardships and invited belly dancers from Turkey – also prostitutes – to teach them). What the British did isn’t something naive – they actually invented a tradition for a third world (read: backward and stupid) country, they created part of the image of Azerbaijan.

What I want to say is that: what you say, think, write, do about Caucasus are not neutral things outside the concept of Caucasus – you’re also part of the defining process of what Caucasus is, so please choose your words responsibly, beware that how you look at something always affects and changes how it is. Afterall We all live in a post-modern world where we have long lost the contact with objective ground :)

August 22, 2010 at 12:29 pm
(265) Anonymous says:

Geography couldn’t be considered as naive and neutral – it has something to do with politics. Take Middle East for example – according to whom ‘middle’? Obviously to the 19th century Western European imperialism. Definitions are subjective, they don’t have clear-cut edges. They are a contested area. I used to call my country -Azerbaijan- European. But the prejudices I confronted made me not to say anything about being European anymore (not to say what I’m thinking – isn’t it related to hegemony? Isn’t it indirect suppression of freedom of expression of opinion?). It’s always related to hegemonic structure. Given the fact that the world wasn’t Euro-centric we wouldn’t discuss these issues and all the Caucasians would’t care on which continent their small country is situated. But because of the popularity of Europe (and unpopularity of Asia/ Middle East) people in Caucasus separate themselves from Asia and claim that they’re fellow Europeans. On the other hand, mostly western Europeans share different perceptions. They call us muslims which almost for all of the population Islam is a question of identity (identity attached us more firmly after the end of the Soviet Union), not beliefs, and we call ourselves more and more muslims also thanks to the West, or Samuel Huntington’s ‘epic’ theory on clash of civilizations. I have always been atheist but many times when I meet a Western the conversation is about my Islamic identity – which personally I don’t identify/care.

There’s a lot of British in Azerbaijan (many are working for BP, I also worked for this company) one of them opened a restaurant that have belly dancers serving his orientalist (sexual) fantasies. Belly dancers that we Azeris – stupid, bacward, dark-colored, uneducated, lame, poor, dirty freaks – had never heard of it before. And when guests from mainly Britain and other countries came to Baku we take them there (because it’s more appropriate for natives to show around – like Safari tours) and they see our culture: belly dancers which ‘have always been part of our culture.’ Afterwards those fine gentlemen have sexual intercourse with those belly dancers (they’re usually prostitutes our British co-workers had spent hard times to find, they also went through hardships and invited belly dancers from Turkey – also prostitutes – to teach them). What the British did isn’t something naive – they actually invented a tradition for a third world (read: backward and stupid) country, they created part of the image of Azerbaijan.

What I want to say is that: what you say, think, write about Caucasus are not neutral things outside the concept of Caucasus – you’re also part of the defining process of what Caucasus is, so please choose your words responsibly, beware that how you look at something always affects and changes how it is. Afterall We all live in a post-modern world where we have long lost the contact with objective ground :)

August 26, 2010 at 2:08 am
(266) shawn Tate says:

Does anyone know that Georgians have changed their religion 3 times from Crisitian to muslim then back to back?? What does it say about them being so called european? Azeris are Persians that became turks at the end. Armenian people are the only sole race that stood strong for centurys . Always been crusaiders since day 1.

August 26, 2010 at 10:12 am
(267) Miro says:

Half of Georgia and Azerbaijan are Europe. But Armenia is in Asia completely!
Georgians are descendants of ancient Iberians and Colchians.

Azerbaijanis are of mixed ethnic origin, the oldest element deriving from the indigenous population of eastern Transcaucasia and possibly from the Medians.

Armenians have been copied to Caucasus from Turkey and Iran after Turkmanchai treaty.

1 million out of 1 million and 300 thousand of Armenians, residing in Transcaucasia were not aboriginal residents and they came there from our lands.

N.I.Shavrov. New challenges to Russian business in the Transcaucasus – upcoming sale of Mugan to aliens. S-Petersburg. 1911, p. 59-61

August 26, 2010 at 9:41 pm
(268) Armen Avanesian says:

To NED (comment no 17)

Stan is not an Arabic phrase, Stan is Persian and means “state” . All of these countries which their names end with “stan” or “istan” are seperated from Persia(Iran) in 18th and 19th century , during Iran-Russia wars. Georgia and Armenia are also taken from Iran in Turkmenchai cease fire contract. These countries’ people are culturally almost Iranian(Persian branch of Aryan people) . nither russians nor Arabs. even in today Iran , there are ” Azerbaijan state” , ” Turkmenistan state” , “Armenistan state” ans so. even families , half of them living in Iran and half in yhe above mentioned countries.

September 5, 2010 at 1:21 am
(269) Jacque says:

Hello all! I’m from Belgium and we here agree that Armenia and Georgia are Christian Europeans, but we hate that people some time say Azerbaijan is Europe. No Muslim Islamic country is Europe, Turkey and Azerdbaijan are Asia. They are the Altaic language and Islam people, that is not considered European to any person in the EU.

September 7, 2010 at 1:54 pm
(270) Pous says:

Armenians are eastern mediterraneans that don’t belong to Europe (they are more like Lebanese and Israelis).I think there is still large armenian population in Lebanon and east Turkey.However currently I consider Armenia part of europe. Georgia and Azerbaijan are mix of europeans and middle-east and geographically have parts in Europe.It doesn’t matter that neither georgian nor azeri is a european language.Important is culture and genetics.Just like Nigeria speaks english, that doesn’t mean they are british.

September 7, 2010 at 11:25 pm
(271) Arthur says:

Armenians can drive thus we are not asian case closed, the end

September 10, 2010 at 2:06 am
(272) Juan says:

There are some excellent answers above. Nearly everyone could improve their geography and history.

Georgia and Armenia are quasi-European. Maybe Georgia moreso than Armenia. But the underlying cultural reason that they can be called European if you want to, is their ancient association with the Roman Empire, which in later centuries became the Byzantine Empire. Armenia has a heritage that looks both ways and within as well. They and the Assyrians link back to the ancient empires of Mesopotamia and they could just as well think of themselves as “neither.” “We are in the middle of all these changes and here we are.” Armenians are famous for being multi-lingual.
And yes, Russia is itself more than a little bit Asian…but that’s another long, interesting story.
Are Turks Europeans? It depends on the Turk you are talking to. Some are very European; others not-so-much.
These countries have aspects of both European-ness and Asian-ness. If you’re a teacher of cultural geography, why not prepare a chapter on the people in the “Middle”, OK?
And it should be noted that the Caucasus region is itself quite apart from anywhere else in the world, culturally.
I don’t use the racial term “Caucasian” of myself if I can avoid it, although it is common in the USA. My roots are British and German.
Cultural geography is a way of summarizing our being and the being of others. One of the more important truths of cultural geography is that we carry historical layers of many different cultural traditions in our bones and nervous systems. And, going farther back, we can see that we are all related. Everyone is a cousin to everyone else.

September 10, 2010 at 5:07 am
(273) Elgun says:

I am from Azerbaijan, I think we are Caucasian and we have both territory in Asia and Europe. So we can be considered both! Nevertheles in all institutional basis we are in European sector. We have to be proud of being Caucasian, excluding Armenia that always is a black spot for all of Caucasians because of their stupid demands to all neighbouring countries.

September 11, 2010 at 4:25 am
(274) Al says:

I think that people are right when saying that part of Turkey is in Europe and part in Asia, but not as geographers of recent times nor internet states ie the Thrace portion. Present-day Turkey’s European part cuts across half of the country and the south east, where the Kurds are, has a degree of Asian influence.

What people are also forgetting is that there is also a lesser caucasus range running through Armenia. This range is part of the general caucasus mountain range. So, regarding Juan’s point on cultural geography, it so happens that Armenia is politically and coincidentally by geography in Europe.

What must be noted is that it was not Turkey’s fault to convert to Islam.. Rather it was imposed on them not by the arab saracens from the south, but the so-called Christian brothers from Western Europe who pillaged Constantinople in 1204 during the fourth crusade. This was a blow from which the Byzantine empire would NOT recover.

During the Ottoman period, the Ottoman empire was run by Greeks and Armenians and was quite tolerant to Christians.

From a muslim perspective, SHITHEADS who hate people calling peripheral muslim nations like Azerbaijan’s Europe have nothing in their minds and either read nothing or read shit and are boring to be around. Their minds are really filled with SHIT. My point is that muslims are in the plan of God’s salvation because they believe in God and at least Jesus as a prophet, whereas Americans and atheists claim to be Christian and believe in God (so does the devil mind you :) but don’t nearly match that description. I would rather side with the better part of muslims than with secular europeans and americans.

Case closed.

September 11, 2010 at 4:30 am
(275) Al says:

Think of it this way. Romania and Azerbaijan both have oil and are in eastern Europe. They are both known for corruption. But, Romania is the most corrupt country according to the economist in Europe. Romania makes Turkey look like Austria!

September 11, 2010 at 10:35 pm
(276) Al says:

Armenia is located ontop of the lesser caucasus range, which is part of the general caucasus mountain range. Turkey has half of its land mass in europe, not just the part west of the bosporus, like the internet and many geographers these days state. Islam was imposed onto Turkey. It wasn’t the muslim saracens that enforced it on, but the so called Christian brothers of western europe who pillaged Constantinople during the 4th Crusade of 1204, and dealt it a blow from which it would not recover. Due to Attaturk, half of the land mass is quite European, whereas the Kurdish part is not.

Geographers of the past (1950s and further back did assign the caucasus in Europe – see Hutchinson encyclopedia). Azerbaijan has pulls towards Asia from Iran and maybe elsewhere and its politics are linked to Turkey’s. Azerbaijan’s islam took hold more slowly than the nth caucasus or Turkey.

September 26, 2010 at 4:30 pm
(277) Giusepe - Italia says:

Georgia is an part of Europa, Completely, completely Europeans (Eastern Europeans)
1) Politic (Democratically and country without any corruption)
2) Traditions
3) Religious (Orthodox 70% catholics 25% and others 5%)
4) and important things: In Georgia first one is Politic and not Religion (Religion is first for Asian countries – most of them, for 98%
5) Georgians are looks likes Italians and Spanish’s and they are not looks Asian …

So, I have been in Georgia (maybe 5 time) and i can say, that they are really Europeans … as well, I have been in Armenia, but i can’t say anything about them (about Armenians). There is not anything (in Armenia), there is not nice “somethings” , strange buildings, strange roads and everything is strange, situation is very very strange there …
am sorry but this is reality. in Georgia everything is under reconstruction, they are (Georgians) thinking about future, they are thinking how to develop country, but i can’t say something like this about Armenia …

PS: I never been in Azerbaijan, but as peoples told me there is only Baku which is very very nice, better them is “Berlin”, but problem is there (as i know) corruption, old management stile and so on ….

Link1: http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/europe/ge.htm

September 26, 2010 at 5:21 pm
(278) Max says:

Georgia is member of European Council, they are participating in Eurovision, participating European championship in football and so on … as well, i know their culture and traditions and for my opinion, they are Europeans ….

September 28, 2010 at 12:17 am
(279) alex says:

Armenia is european simply because of the fact that their white and dont have the same eyes as people from china ,japan,north n south korea, thailand, mangolia vietnam or any of those major contries. its in eastern europe

October 6, 2010 at 4:13 pm
(280) Pera says:

I have been to Georgia and Armenia.
Geographically both are in Asia, here we cannot change the fact that the Europe-Asia boundary runs over Caucassus peaks. Conventionally the southern border of Russian Federation represents the Europe-Asia boundary.
Well, Georgia has many European elements like many people have totally European faces, folk music is totally European (more than Balkan music), they are Christians, politically they are oriented towards Europe, but the landscape and the economical development are not comparable with European countries. But yes it is the most European country from these three (GEO, AR, AZ).
Armenia is 100% Asian country, people have oriental faces, their “brothers” are Middle Eastern Christians like Christians from Syria, Lebanon…music is oriental too. In fact this is pure Asian country although they are Cristians. The fact which makes them closer to Europe is soviet occupation as they have the same infrastructure asother ex Soviet countries.
I consider these countries all Asian although Georgia has many European elements.

October 11, 2010 at 9:34 am
(281) Lila says:

I have been in Georgia in this summer (08/2010) and there are everything under reconstruction – buildings, roads ets.. which are reconstructed is very very nice … for example: Georgian government recover old part of cities, which was old style before USSR (Batumi, Tbilisi, Kutaisi, Signagi) and i can say, that …. very very nice cities …

PS: I think, that they are totality Europeans (Georgia)

October 14, 2010 at 3:34 pm
(282) Carpathian says:

Well, most of people in western Europe think that Prague, or Bratislava( 60 km away from Vienna) are eastern european cities….So from Czech republic and Slovakia is in Yerevan +3 hours time difference…I can say only , Waaau, Eastern Europe is huge !!!! :D

October 18, 2010 at 9:04 pm
(283) Mrs,Hinz says:

Please study the elementary 100 level college Regional or Cultural Geography and you will learn that Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia are in Europe. The division line is passing through southern borders of three countries.

College Geography Professor.

October 26, 2010 at 1:53 am
(284) Phil A. says:

Well I’m not sure about Azerbaijan or George but I do know Armenia was once much larger than now and did incorporate parts of Europe. So historically and culturally yes it is… and I just found out that Armenia’s international telephone country code is +374 which is indeed part of the European Number system. Cheers.

October 28, 2010 at 2:11 am
(285) Pablo says:

Philippines should also be considered as Europe although it is similar to Armenia being a Christian nation located in Asia. Filipinos are Spanish cultured people and our ancestors were from Europe. Our skin color is light brown to olive Mediterranean as similar to the Armenians. Some of us have blond hairs and grey eyes. Some of us are even whiter than Armenians.

If Armenians are Europeans, we are also Europeans.

November 2, 2010 at 8:30 pm
(286) Amy says:

Turkey is part of Europe and Asia. It doesn’t matter what religion you are, but were the borders are. People say that Armenia is Europe and Turkey isn’t which doesn’t make sense because Turkey is more West than Armenia closer to Europe.

November 24, 2010 at 1:22 pm
(287) Neo says:

To Amy,

Being west or east doesn’t matter. Kazakhstan is way to the east of Turkey but has more territories in Europe. Azerbaijan and Georgia have territories in Europe, and in fact pretty significant portion of their territories is in Europe. However, culturally and genetically I would say that Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia along with Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel and Cyprus is part of Near East not Eastern Europe.

December 26, 2010 at 5:07 pm
(288) kev says:

for the smarte ned armenia doesnt have a stan on it n armenian is hayastan but how about bulgaristan romanistan hunastan these are bulgaria romania and greece they are in europe how come they have stan in there names armenia is very european my parents lok european the type of foods we eat armenia is the only european in the region because georgian isnt a european language neither is azer but armenian is

December 26, 2010 at 5:12 pm
(289) bob says:

neo wrong hyak was armenian the founder of the armenian race has greek genitics which armians georgians are european but azer arent

January 1, 2011 at 10:51 am
(290) Vahe says:

The bird-brains that said that Armenia is in Asia are totally wrong. I’ll explain. Culture in Armenia and the religion really counts. Armenia is the first Christian country and was even in Europe when countries like France, Belgium or The Czech Republic didnt even exist! Armenia is in Europe because of its culture, political views and the Caucausus Mountains are the border of Europe and Asia. Which means Armenia has to be in Europe! Armenia is also part of other european organizations like The Council of Europe. I dont care what other geographers say even the top american websites state that Armenia is in Europe. (http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/eu.htm)

anyway
Consider Armenia part of Europe and the Armenians that wrote all these comments and the ones that said Armenia doesnt have any forein European relations well thats just stupid.
I’ll name a few countries that Armenia has foreign relations with…
France, Russia, Greece and others.

ARMENIA IS IN EUROPE BOTH GEOGRAPHICALLY AND POLITICALY!
The culture is purely EUROPEAN.
Religion of Armenia CHRISITAN SINCE 301. (the 1st Chrisitan country)

January 5, 2011 at 3:22 pm
(291) Bell says:

What about architecture of Armenia?? I mean European culture is also significant for its rich history of architecture such as Gothic art, Renaissance, Baroque, Rococo, Art Nouveau, etc….

January 13, 2011 at 5:00 am
(292) pessoa says:

Definitions and boundaries are given by people, not a single land self-declare where it belongs. And the highest authorities of Europe, that is, the European Union and the Council of Europe accept Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan as European countries.

January 16, 2011 at 1:02 pm
(293) Yervand says:

i am from Armenia,,and i can say that nobody can say if we are located on Europe or Asia,,,,,we accept us as an asian country with european culture,,we are the first christians ,and it is special for Europe!!!our type is so different!we have dark eyes and hair,,but also blue eyes and blonde hair!
i am proud of being asian!
and it is enough to leave stupid comments,,,how Azerbaijan can be Europe,,but Armenia Asia,,AZERBAIJAN LOCATED IN THE EAST OF ARMENIA,,,,be clever please!!!

January 29, 2011 at 9:38 am
(294) Hayk says:

First off, those three countries have NOTHING to do with the Middle East.. Forget that since people who have been in the region would know that mountains have isolated them from the middle east and there is almost ZERO cultural influence.

Secondly, genetically closest people to Armenians for one are Greeks. And also they have a lot of common traditions and even the closest existing language to Armenian is Greek language. Same goes to Georgia which has been closest neighbor and ally to Armenians for centuries and they share a lot of similarities as it comes to culture.

I think what confuses people here is Turkey. It sounds weird that Armenia and Georgia could be european whilst Turkey, which is situated between them and Europe is Asian. But if you study history, you’d know that turks originate from Mongolia and they came into the area and sort of disconnected Armenians and Georgians from their roots in Europe and Greeks most importantly.

Azerbaijan is 100% Central Asian.

Hope this shed some light.

March 9, 2011 at 8:11 pm
(295) Verena says:

No Georgia is not Europe, Azerbaijan is Caucasian no Central Asian,and neither is Armenia central asia. These countries belong to Near East, along with Turkey, Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon.

March 14, 2011 at 12:37 pm
(296) Sabitt says:

It is not a sound debate because there’s a lot of PREJUDICES poured into the majority of arguments. I’ll take Azerbaijan as an example and explain that this country is no different from Europe:

1.Development: Economic situation in Azerbaijan is way better than many Eastern European countries that are member states of the EU. Azerbaijan economy does produce many different products in IT technology, defense industry, etc.

2. Corruption level: International rating organizations have increased its rating due to the successes in anti-corruption policies. From this perspective EU member state Bulgaria as well as many Eastern European states lag far behind of Azerbaijan.

3. Religion: Azerbaijan is a constitutionally secular state. Secularism has strong roots and religiousity of population is below that of Malta, Spain, Greece.

4. ‘Ethnic characteristics’: If you take race, ethnicity, genes seriously then there is a problem with you. Nevertheless I will go with your way of thinking. If you see those muslim immigrants in your country as bogeys; there is nothing in Azerbaijan that can contribute to your xenophobic feelings: migration level there is too low, even negligible. The Poles going to Western Europe, or Romanians and Bulgarians are more dangerous ‘threats’ than Azeris.

5. democracy: if you think that there is no democracy in Azerbaijan you are wrong. There’s plenty of parties and political discussions as dirty as those in Western Europe. And Azerbaijan has some good points: here the prime minister or president does not make illegal mafia deals as in Italy. Or, the government cannot increase retirement age as ruthlessly as Sarcozy did in France.

etc

You do not know much about the region, yet you still dare to say something. you have right to, but before, know that because of your lack of sufficient information, knowledge; what you say necessarily has to be shaped by your prejudices.

March 23, 2011 at 4:33 pm
(297) Seda Nikolian says:

Well, Im from Spain, grew up in Germany and France, learned and studied the European map and history, and soo far Armenia does not belong in Europe at all. Turkey, Georgia and Azerbaijan are near Europe but are considered middle eastern and not european and Armenia is right under these countries. Religion has nothing to do with where these countries belong. My parents are from Armenia, and they as well say Armenia is middle eastern and not European. Oh yeah! Armenia is part of asia, not europe, and none of this bolony of eurasian. Study the maps and history people. And also, im proud to be Armenian from my parents side and I can gladly say that im middle eastern and not be ashamed of it. Just beacause were middle eastern that does not mean were muslims my Armenian people.

March 25, 2011 at 7:22 am
(298) 1221w says:

they belong to europ becuse armenia is in europ half of turkey blong to armenia and the half to other countrys.That two may belong to armenia so they are europ THE SECRET IS I AM ARMENIAN SO BELEVE ME. say if i wrote the spelling wrong because i am 9.

March 25, 2011 at 11:19 am
(299) mihran says:

I am half Armenian, Half English. I really beleive that armenians are asian(middle eastern) because of my armenian family. Most of them have jet black hair, exotic slanted eyes, oriental/really tanned skin, short in stature and all we eat is middle eastern food. Why would you consider armenia in europe just because they are christian? Christianity originated in the middle east, therefore armenia was the first nation to accept it as a state religion. Just because it is in the caucasus region, it doesnt mean they are the same type of caucasian as english, german, polish people etc. There are many type of caucasian people and armenian people are clearly middle eastern caucasian. If armenia was a muslim state, there would be no hesitation that armenia lies in the middle east or even asia. Look at these armenians and tell me they look the same as most europeans
http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/online_exhibition_2.php

you cant because they are not!!!! they are obviousley a mix of russian, turkish mongol, persian, arab and who ever else has passed through there!!!

August 20, 2011 at 9:03 pm
(300) Edward says:

Mihran, Bulgarian have the same, and so do many Balto/slavics.
Many Armenians have Blue eyes, depeding on their family they came from. Green and Blue eyes are comon in northern Armenia.
I have light brown eyes, I was blond until I was 3 years of age, and have light skin that is sensetive to sun. I look 90% caucasian, ofcourse I am short but Europe is diverse and there are shorter Europeans as well. Also, the fact that there is certain degree of hairyness among Armenians proves we share common ancestory with Europeans and are far from asians.
Those Armenians with slanted eyes are mixed with the mongoles and turks who entered Anatolia and caucasus around 1000 years ago. I actually know someone from my dad’s family, a distant relative with varying degree of asian lookes within the family.
Looking at history, the first stone henges which share many similarities in common with the Irish ones exist in Armenia, going back 3 millenium before the UK’s stone henges.
One of the first wineries were created in Armenia, and you can see wine is very big in Europe, specially in France where Goths and Celtics settled (also stone henges are found).
But, the biggest determinant in Armenia being part of Europe is embracing the European way over the middle eastern way. Armenia must accept to be part of europe and it does over middle east.

April 1, 2011 at 2:16 am
(301) Mohammad Khachaturian Rahman says:

@Busse. Armenians, Georgians, and Azeris are Persians just like Iranians, Afghans, and Tajiks. Therefore Armenians are Asian. Armenian language is closer to Persian, Armenian language is an Iranian language. Armenia has always been a part of Greater Iran. Armenia has been conquered by Ottoman Turks, Arabs, and Persians (Iranians). Before Armenia adopted Christianity, the main religion of Armenia was Zoroastrianism. Armenia had more Middle Eastern cultures rather than European. Just because if you have blonde hair, blue or green eyes, and white skin, it doesn’t mean that you are European. Armenians have dark hair, fair skin, brown or black eyes, straight hair, and a short stature.
Besides I am half Armenian and Half Iranian.
Armenians are considered as Persians. Armenia is in Western Asia. Georgia and Azerbaijan are also in Western Asia.
Just because Armenians and Georgians are Christians, it doesn’t mean that they are European.
@ Busse, Georgians, Ossetians, Abkhazians, Armenians, Azeris, Turks, and Iranians aren’t white! They are truly 100% Asian, not the slanted eyed Asians, the Western Asians. Georgia always had a long history with Iran, Georgia is a part of Greater Iran, Georgian language is an Iranian language. Also Georgia used to adopt Zoroastrianism before Christianity.

April 15, 2011 at 4:35 pm
(302) Ina says:

Hi. You do not hae to say that Armenia is Asia(because Turkey is in Asia) You know what? Turkey as well as Azerbajdan are muslem countries, Besides their way of thinking is the same. Their origin is the same. BUT ARMENIANS are another nation. They are Cristians. They do not belong to the nation of Turkey or Azerbajdan. Armenia is not in Asia, it has no Asia thiking, no Asian habbits, no Asian traditions. Have you ever been to Armenia? If not, I advise you to visit. Armenians have nothing common with Turkish people and Azer people. Armenia is an old country and nation. Armenia was the first country that accepted Christianity as a state religion in 301. So think, please now Armenia is Asia or Europe. Come on, before telling something you should read the history of a country and you should know that country. That’s why do not ever mix Armenians with Turkish or Azer people.!!!!!!

May 15, 2011 at 6:46 am
(303) Hugh says:

being Christian doesn’t make you “European”. Bosnia and Albania are Islamic countries also but they’re European… and I’ve been to Turkey and Armenia. gotta say Turkey is far more civilized country than Armenia sorry!

April 16, 2011 at 12:55 pm
(304) armenian says:

Well I’m Armenian!! I have black hairs so I’m to be considered as an asian?? But my Grandfather and my cousins are blonds!! So Raul is european or asian??? All Europeans are blond and white?? I have been walking in Paris and it seemed to me that I’m the most European there! Anyways I don’t care where you consider Armenia to be Asia or Europe I’m proud to be Armenian!! To be the first nation who accepted christian religion as the only State religion!! Proud of all contribution my nation had in the World’s Rich civilisation! You will ask what kind of contribution?

Maybe music? Just one example from Aram Khatchaturian Sabre Dance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s474EDr82sU&feature=related

Architecture? Armenian Churches:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Axtala1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Tatev_Monastery_from_a_distance.jpg

Sience??

May 15, 2011 at 4:49 am
(305) tom says:

Georgia,Azerbhaijan and Armenia are all in Asia.
Russia is in Asia as its majority land mass is in Asia.
Culturally you see its christian background with Asian backdrop.Look at the churches.Look at the Kremiln.

They are Asian and nothing wrong with that.That part of Asia had everything going on historically.

The Indo-european language,culture and race is a broad term but it still applies .Note the word INDO.Note the word ARYAN and where they came from.

This region includes the peoples of Europe,Russian and the former USSR republics,Iran,North India,Afghanistan and parts of the middle east.

Greece and parts of eastern europe like Bulgaria and Romania can have darker skinned people than North India and Iran.

I was looking at Peneople Cruz and Aishwarya Rai…..one is Spanish and one is India yet there was no colour difference and in fact Aish could be lighter.

they are both caucasian and note that asian part of caucasian okay.Its actually from ASIA.Europeans actually came from that direction.

May 20, 2011 at 8:46 pm
(306) Dodo says:

I’m originally from Azerbaijan. I’d been to Europe, Asia, north America and north Africa. I don’t care where maps put my place. I’m neither european nor Asian. I’m Caucasian. That’s how that’s how Russians identify 3 republics and nortern caucasian nations.
In USA people often tried to guess my nationality hearing my non-Hispanic English accent. Greek, italian, French, Armenian and less Turkish. People with Armenian relations usually were seeing similarity and made me feel akward.
Some post are really funny. What cultural differences Armenians are talking about. I saw Armenian comedy. “mujiki” by the way excellent

August 22, 2011 at 2:08 pm
(307) Eurasia says:

This is a question of geography. I suspect that a Europe-inclined & white-washed superiority complex is present in this forum. So Eurasia / Middle-east is not good enough for you… as explicity called out in text books?? Much of Europe do not even acknowledge you… Bickering attempt for association by default is so sad. Just say you are Eurasian and be proud of youself, and that you are in the cross road of three continents!! Just say you are Armenian and that you are north of Iran and east of Turkey and south of Russia.

September 5, 2011 at 4:42 pm
(308) Amir says:

hi! we shouldn’t forget that Armenia is Christian country and hence seems closer to European peers than Asian ones.
Because it was allowed in practicing Christianity in Sassanian Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassanid_Empire) ;
So, I have strong believes it is part of Asia and can even be considered as part of Middle East.

September 5, 2011 at 10:28 pm
(309) Will says:

I’m half Armenian and half Kashubian, and i feel that Armenia could be in Europe or Asia. Its technically in Eurasia, and even on Wikipedia they have it listed under both west Asia and Europe… My Armenian relatives don’t look European at all!! I mean, they wouldn’t even be confused with my friends Serbian relatives, who also have dark hair, not-so-pale skin, etc. I don’t think that Christianity is a good way to determine whether Armenia is European or Asian, either, because Christianity isn’t exclusively European. It didn’t even start in Europe!! There are Christian countries in Asia, too (Like the Philippines). Why cant Armenia be geographically in Asia and still be sociopolitical European?

September 28, 2011 at 10:07 pm
(310) Me says:

OMFG. This is so effing hilarious. The Europeans trying to kick the Armenians over to the Asian side wanting nothing to do with the Armenians while the Armenians are desperately clinging on to being Europeans because they don’t want to be lumped into the backward Asians. Isn’t it funny? Newsflash. Nobody wants to be associated with you morons from Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan or whatever piece of dirt you’re growing up from. With the constant wars and conflicts going over in that area, I don’t think that part of the world can be called Europe or Asia at all. It looks like hell. So none of your country is in Europe or Asia. YOU’RE IN HELL.

October 23, 2011 at 1:25 am
(311) Joanna says:

You are as ignorant as ignorant gets!!!…
“Nobody wants to be associated with you morons from Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan or whatever piece of dirt you’re growing up from. With the constant wars and conflicts going over in that area, I don’t think that part of the world can be called Europe or Asia at all”…really??!! How embarrassing for you… or should I say “Me”

October 7, 2011 at 10:01 pm
(312) Aro says:

Ok,this is pathetic. What is this argument over invisible border lines in sand? Who really decides where Europe starts and ends. The answer is completely misleading since there is no real natural geographic feature like an Ocean on Eurasia’s eastern region to truly divide the continent. It’s called Eurasia for crying out loud.

October 27, 2011 at 5:22 am
(313) Vali Aliyev says:

There are different approaches to the issue. But we can usually see these different approaches mutated into one. I will briefly explain them. It is up to you decide.

1. Culturalist approach – although called culturalist, almost exclusively relies on religious perspective. Accordingly if Georgians and Armenians are Christians and on the threshold of Europe and Asia, they can be called. However Azebaijan is Asian, because of religious background. But in some cases, because of backward economy and other conditions in the region countries, they are called Asian, which is an example of an Orientalist approach that defines Europe with progress and other beautiful concepts, but the rest is called backwarrd, non-developed etc.

2. Legal approach – in UN, EU, European Council, and many other influential organizations, these three countries are classified as European. That is why recently Azerbaijan was chosen as nonpermanent member of the UN security council from the Eastern European region. For this view, all three countries are European.

3. Geographical/ technical view – because of problematic and unsettled question of European Eastern most boundaries, genereally Caucausian mountains are called the dividing line. Therefore from this prespective Northern parts of Georgia and Azerbaijan are part of the European continent, but Armenia is an Asian country.

4. Historistic view – Back in the late nineteenth century, Tsarist Russian empire called these occupied region as part of Europe, and treated accordingly – in state documents etc. the region was Europe, and usually the other European countries didn’t mind this, nevertheless bearing in mind that once it was part of the Orient.

P.S: The messaga above written with the name Niyazi Piriyev belongs to me. The real nameholder wrote me about this problem. The name was randomly and unintentionally chosen.

P.P.S:I wrote my email address in case of another inconvenience: sabasado@gmail.com

October 28, 2011 at 5:29 pm
(314) Doug says:

Clearly this area is geographically part of Asia and culturally and politically part of Europe. Someone needs to draw the proverbial line in the sand and just decide.
I like the division of the world into the 3 major regions used by business The Americas, EMEA (Europe, Middle East & Africa) and Asia Pacific. All of these countries would fall under EMEA, with Afganistan being the beginning of Asia Pac.

November 3, 2011 at 4:14 am
(315) Veli Aliyev says:

Everytime I visit the page I see that debate is still going on.
I want to reply to Doug’s comment.

The business division of EMEA – Europe, Middle East and Africa is plain overgeneralization and falls short in distinguishing social, economic and political differences.

P.S: I feel bad for spamming the page, but I had to write.

THE MESSAGE WRITTEN BY THE NAME NIYAZI PIRIYEV BELONGS TO ME.

reason:

THE NAME WAS INTENTIONALLY CHOSEN AND THERE’S EVIL MOTIVES BEHIND. – just delete the name.

November 10, 2011 at 9:53 am
(316) Attila says:

I would say Azerbiajan is definitely in Asia. Armenia and Geogia are only likely. This problem should be decided by some international agreement.

November 12, 2011 at 5:28 pm
(317) Dirk says:

armenian looks more like lebanese than swedish
so it is not european proper

as of europeans come from caucasus mountains
is only a theory otherwise we also say qadaffi and osama europeans

just like a theory that we are all from africa
which is unlikely

November 20, 2011 at 6:35 am
(318) Addie Harte says:

I wonder if some of you have ever heard of the “Ancient” Near East? it is a historic wide region that has Greece, Cyprus, Turkey, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iraq (Mesopotamia), Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Israel and Northern Egypt.

I think and in my humble opinion geographically Armenia, Georiga and Azerbaijan are borderline with both continents; Asia and Europe… just like Russia!

I’ve been to that part of the world (Near East) and i can tell you there are many similarities when it comes to cultures, looks, foods, and somewhat languages.. part of it is probably the geographic closeness to one another.. or the past migration/rising powers in the region.. Mesopotamians went all way west to northern egypt, and north to Turkey, Georgia and Armenia.. Ottoman empire went west to Balkans, North to Austria, East to Central europe and South to North africa.. we talking hundreds of years of being ruled under a rising power in the region..

Politically/Economically they might be closer to Europe (EU) than any other place for the potential benifits of having such a Natural Gas rich region..

In Sport they play under the UEFA leagues, but so does Turkey, Israel and Kazakhstan..

According to the US system, nationals of such regions (Europe, Near East, North Africa) are considered Whites/Caucasians.

By the way, Stan is not an Arabic word at all, in fact there is no arabic speaking place is named with a “Stan”.. That word is Persian/Urdu or Indo European which is similar to the Nordic word “Stein” and refers to Land or Region.

November 24, 2011 at 3:22 pm
(319) Siamanto says:

WHO CARES ABOUT BORDERS AND CONTINENTS! GEOGRAPHICALLY SPEAKING WE ALL LIVE ON EARTH

November 29, 2011 at 2:21 pm
(320) AM says:

Ok, after reading like a whole bunch of comments.. I’m going to start mine with the following sentence…
‘Before any European country (Except Greece) existed, before you even formed or had any cultural or political powers, Armenia already had it’s own letters, religion, schools in churches, culture and most of all FREEDOM, while all the rest of you Europeans were still hanging from trees, or being taught and qualitifiezed by other empires like the Roman one’

Armenia is both geographically and pollitically in Europe. Asian ties are very minor and I can’t think of one thing that Armenia has that is Asian except for it’s horrible, strange and cruel neighbours (except Iran, or maybe Georgia).

I don’t want anyone to think that I am weird or the the most idiotic person, I’m talking history and culture, geography and politics.

Believe me, more Europeans and International Organisations think that Armenia is European than Asian, and if not, then they have such I great loss.

Armenia, ‘The Land of Noah’, “One Nation, One Culture”

November 30, 2011 at 6:34 pm
(321) bob says:

Armenia and Azerbaajan are in Asia and Georgia is part of Europe

December 3, 2011 at 1:23 pm
(322) Arthur says:

First of all Armenia is a European country so is azerbajan and georgia, second of all Armenia is one of the oldest countries in the world and it use to stretch from sea to sea and it is considered European by the european union

December 9, 2011 at 6:29 pm
(323) Sella says:

I really don’t understand people’s obsession about being European. Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan belong neither to Europe not to Asia. Those three countries are at the crossroads and it says all. Majority of my family has fair skin. My nephews have blond hair and gray eyes and so do their cousins. When I came to the US people would always ask if I am from Europe. I say no. Then it goes but you do not like Asian. As an Armenian I consider myself neither European nor Asian but Caucasian. Our culture is a unique blend of both Eastern European and a little bit of Asian. And I love it because it is such a vivid mixture. Culture-wise we are very close to Eastern European culture not Western European for sure. In my experience when I meet Russian, Greek, Bulgarian, Ukrainian people there is an instant connection because we are very similar culture-wise. On the contrary there is no connection with North European people.

December 15, 2011 at 1:08 am
(324) VS RANGARAJAN says:

I simply dont understand what this fuz is about! Armenians are Armenians and they have to be proud to be so. Why should they crave to be called Europeans when culturally Armenia is very much different and unique. Lets not go by the view of Armenian diaspora who shun Armenian way of life in general. I am Indian and I like Armenia because it is Armenian not because it is akin to Europe or elsewhere. Armenia – You have a great cultural history . Do not dilute it by calling yourself as European.

December 20, 2011 at 5:14 pm
(325) Natan says:

Armenia and Georgia are European culturally, politically and geographically.

December 28, 2011 at 2:17 am
(326) Truth says:

It is not important to be in Europe.It is important that Azerbaijan first in Caucasus.Azerbaijan is the most modern country in this region.It has very big military strength and the highest budget in Caucasus.People of Azerbaijan Republic are 9 million (in Iran 35 million and whole the world 54 million ) and live very well.But in Armenia you can not find 3 million.They suffer from hunger… But Georgia is better than Armenia….These are important…not european region….By the way WELCOME TO AZERBAIJAN FOR Eurovision 2012…

December 31, 2011 at 4:26 pm
(327) sabine SCHNEIDER says:

yes, i know these coutries like “armeni andiran” hate Azerbaijan and Turkey, because the other countries like THE USA, QERMANY, UKRAINE everytime help us, respect our interests and they know that the “armenian people” stealed our national meals and music and even 20% of our terretory! i can say to youç this facts knoü manu americansş

January 4, 2012 at 8:43 pm
(328) Stanly says:

Culturally Armenia is not Asian at all. It is completely European in every aspect..food, traditions, religion(Christian) and everything. Armenia is also part of the European Union

January 5, 2012 at 11:50 pm
(329) Armenophile says:

Armenia is geographically in Asia. Asia starts south of the Caucasus, East of the Urals and East of the Mediterannean. Also, culturally Armenians are NOT European. Christinaity is firstly a Near Eastern religion (like Judaism and Islam) so it doesn’t make one European.

The music of Armenia is middle eastern, listen to it carefully :
Byzantine/Arabic scale, oud which is an Arab instrument, Shvi like the Persian Nay, the Duduk (which is ARMENIAN, contrary to what Azerbaijanis and Turks claim), etc. are all played through the Near East, hence not European.

The food is Caucasian, like that of the rest of the Caucasus :
Lehmajun, Babaganoush, Baklava, Pilaf, Dolma, Ottoman Coffee (As it’s hard to say if it really is Arabic, Armenian, Greek or Turkish), etc.

The language is Indo-European, but closest to Indo-Iranian, which is not found in Europe on a large level, not to mention that it belongs to the Satem group, contrary to the Centum group, which is found in Europe. The closest language to Armenian is Persian, not Greek, which is a Centum group isogloss language. Armenian was even thought to be a dialect of Persian in the 1800s (however comparitive method showed that Armenian is a unique branch of IE).

Pre modern religions, Armenians were Zoroastrian like Persians and Indians, they’re architecture was Middle Eastern, the alphabet is derived not from Greek as many claim, but from Pahlavi script Persian, with Greek influence.

Armenians DNA wise have similar DNA to Persians and Azerbaijanis (in fact their nearly identical, which makest he Genocide even more monstrous as most the Turks in Turkey were Eastern Turks and killed blood nearly identical to them, not to mention the massacres in Maraghar, Baku, Sumgait and Kirovabad in Azerbaijan).
Those groups are hardly “European”.

January 9, 2012 at 5:34 pm
(330) Sella says:

@ (329) Armenophile,

You present Armenia much more middle Eastern than it really is. I was born and raised in Armenia and never saw or heard about babaganush. Even the baklava in Armenia is very different from the middle Eastern one. Recently, I was in an Armenian party in the US and they ordered middle Eastern food. I did not know 90% of it and a lot of Armenians from Armenia and Eastern Europe were complaining that instead of ordering Armenian food they ordered middle Eastern food. Armenian meals are heavily based on potatoes, meat and vegetables. It is very mild and we hardly ever use strong spices. Culture-wise I do not feel that we are closer middle Eastern people but rather Eastern European.

January 10, 2012 at 7:08 pm
(331) Robert says:

Europe is not a real continent, it’s a made up delineation based on racism and other forms of bigotry. There is no Europe. European people are not different or special or exceptional. Armenians just want to be considered European because they feel for some reason that makes them better, but it’s all a bunch of BS. Asians spend far too much time licking European boots for their own good.

January 15, 2012 at 4:43 am
(332) Georgian says:

What do you men by traditional boundaries. I think Georgia Geographically is Asia, and the culture is more close to Europe. But the mentality is more Asian than European. I think if you consider the geographically than you also have to look at country its style of living which is culture, must also be considered as cases to divide Georgia between Asia and Europe.

January 16, 2012 at 5:34 pm
(333) Miriam Yakobashvili says:

I am Georgian and I don’t really know which statement is true. But I want to be European. And as my grandma says mentally we are.

January 17, 2012 at 1:20 pm
(334) Advise says:

A WORD OF ADVICE to Armenians. Just say your Asian on college and financial applications. “Asian-other” . Otherwise European falls under white and you know you will miss out on being accepted or other benefits. Because of quotas the schools have to meet, “whites” get pushed off the grid!!!

January 19, 2012 at 7:52 am
(335) Miriam Yakobashvili says:

I don’t know wicfh one of you are right but me personally I want be European than Asian. And as my grandma says mentall Georgia is in Europe. So that’s really good. But I wish everybody could say Georgia IS Europa. And BTW I am from Georgia.

January 28, 2012 at 9:24 am
(336) Azeri says:

Azerbaijan is geographically partly in both but culturally although Muslim historically and totally secular in practice (only 5% practice Islam and very liberal too). The country produces alcohol, pork products, exports those, Azeris are secular in all ways. Some Azeris are of Nordic type – blue eyes, blond hair, head shape etc. but we do have middle eastern influence (obviously) form the neighbours. Genetically Azeris, like Georgians, Turks and Armenians are made up of exactly same genetic lineages as Europeans, closer to West Europeans than East Europeans. Azeris want to integrate into Europe. Parts of country look very european (including villages) and parts (closer to iran) look more eastern. Baku is mainly European. The whole country has theatres, operas, music halls, discos, night clubs, bars etc. In short, come to Baku for Eurovision and see for yourself. And economically, the country is ahead of he entire Caucasus region, important european partner.

January 28, 2012 at 3:26 pm
(337) Patti says:

Geographically speaking, its Asia. In terms of culture, religion, etc. I would have to say its a blend between Europe and the Middle East, and this is due to the heavy mixing of culture between southern/eastern Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa (North Africa was part of this cultural exchange). In terms of looks (European or Middle Eastern features) it is also a mix. Some look like the average white person while others look like the stereotypical arab (black/dark brown hair, dark eyes, olive-light brown skin). I’m Armenian and people often tell me I look mixed race or like a stereotypical Latino.

The reason people are getting so pissed off about the “Asian” label is because it would associate them with the “uncivilized” and “hated” Middle Easterners/Muslims. Also, it is a general belief in ANY Asian country that European/Western culture is superior to any other. I do not hold this belief, but it is widespread and does exist.

Personally, I don’t see this as a big deal. The whole region near/around the Mediterranean is a mix of so much culture and diversity. To call the Caucasus region purely European would be a dishonor to its history and ancestors.

January 31, 2012 at 9:01 pm
(338) Rose says:

They are all part of Europe, but Armenia and Georgia is more culturally European (at least, Eastern European). But still, they are in Europe :) really, though, it shouldn’t bother people too much, as there are some Europeans who are culturally different, and some Asians that act culturally like Europeans. Either way, every country is different in some way or another, and it can be hard to categorize them.

January 31, 2012 at 9:05 pm
(339) Rose says:

Oh, and I don’t mean to be against any of the countries, in case anyone took offense or something :)

February 3, 2012 at 8:18 am
(340) razo says:

my geo’s teacher says that Armenia is in europe ;)

i’m european :)

February 3, 2012 at 8:36 am
(341) Emil says:

I am from Azerbaijan, and honestly i don’t give a shit whether my country is in Europe or in Asia. Apparently we have more political, social and economic ties with Europe rather than Asia, however I believe if we have a economic prosperity everybody will suck up to us just to include our countries into their unions. So I prefer to be on the crossroads, neither Europe nor Asia and that’s our privilege if Asia becomes a boss of the world economy, then we can jump to Asia by claiming that we are Asia.

Thus, my answer to above mentioned question is, “it depends.”

February 5, 2012 at 1:45 pm
(342) Giorgi says:

I am Georgian, and i just cant say that Georgia is asia first of all where have u seen a crhistian orthodox country in asia? second i dont think that Georgian culture has anything near asian, Georgia is country surrounded by Russians Azerbaijan Armenia turkey and Black sea, come to Georgia and ull get sure that we are not asian. we are one of the most oldest country in europe first caucasians that has never left this place nobody know our Start, and someone here mantioned that we are more arabs then europeans lol thats funny we are caucasian raced white people. Georgia is on a place where europe ends and asia starts so maybe some territory of it is asian but country is european with european people in it and i dont want to say anything more. even if Geographically we are on asian territory i dont really fucking care cause Georgia is a country with biggest culture bigeest and richest and most interesting history with beautiful nature and citys and old fantastic churches and buildings tasty foot,Best folk songs, best music,beautiful chants,best dances, and best people well most of them at least ;P

February 6, 2012 at 11:16 am
(343) Educated says:

Caucasus peoples are closer related to peoples of Iran, Turkey, Iraq, Syria, than to Europeans. Anybody who knows the Caucasus is aware of this.

Historically, Greeks also have had more relation with Near Easterners than with Germanic, Celtic or Slavic peoples. Greeks always looked east (see Seleucid and Byzantine empires).

“Europe” is a phony, modern concept which had no currency before the so-called “Renaissance”. Ironic that “Europe” is a Phoenician name and Christianity an Aramaean religion, isn’t it.

February 7, 2012 at 3:59 pm
(344) Leo says:

Armenia is located in the Armenian Highland, and not in the Caucasus

February 9, 2012 at 2:27 pm
(345) adam says:

Correcting Leo’s comment – Armenia is located on the Lesser Caucasius range whilst Azerbaijan and Georgia overlap the greater Caucasus.

To “Educated” – get your facts right. Iraqis and Syrians are semites, more specifically Babylonians, and are not related to people of Turkey and Caucasus. Turks are a Meditteranean grouping of people of European stock. Armenians are Indo Europeans like Lithuanians, Greeks, Germans, Polish etc.

However, owing to history and political system of rule (which are entwined), the whole area is eastern european in culture.

February 22, 2012 at 2:12 pm
(346) Mark says:

Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Armenia are part of European countries.

February 23, 2012 at 3:22 pm
(347) sogna says:

I think Armenia,Georgia and Azerbaijan are asian countries by geography and culture as well….Iran is the neighbour of two of them and we do not consider it as an european country!! They were a part of the SSSR,but that does not mean they belong to Europe (dispite the fact that Armenia is a christian country).The reason why Europe is trying to include them in its society is their richness as oil,silver,metals…..

February 25, 2012 at 2:45 am
(348) Huwaiza says:

Armenia & Azerbaijan belongs to middle east, which is the West Asia. Also the language that is spoken by theses countries are similar to the Arabic language.

February 25, 2012 at 8:50 pm
(349) kobra says:

reply to: (347) sogna February 25, 2012 at 2:45 am

Do you think Georgia is musulman-religion Country???

February 27, 2012 at 2:45 am
(350) @kobra (349) says:

At least 10% of Georgians are Muslims, and, I shall remind you that Christianity is a Middle Eastern religion – originating from Palestine – and thus not a European religion.

People in the Middle East were Christians before Europeans were. Besides, do you think Europeans take Christianity seriously today?

Georgia and all Caucasus belongs to the Middle East.

February 27, 2012 at 3:25 am
(351) raffi says:

Armenia and Georgia are European Nations, azerbaijan and turkey are asiatic. (regardless of geography)

February 27, 2012 at 2:40 pm
(352) Europe and Asia = Eurasia says:

The artificial division of Eurasia into two continents is the problem. Europe and Asia are part of Eurasia.

We’re all Eurasians.

February 28, 2012 at 4:14 pm
(353) Adam says:

To “Europe and Asia = Eurasia says”,

if you haven’t read anything about the topic and you don’t know anything, don’t say stupid things on this blog about the region. Many people here have simply clicked around the internet and wrote the first stupid thought that popped into their heads. They didn’t have the facts and they weren’t informed.

February 29, 2012 at 4:38 pm
(354) To Adam says:

I have read reams about the topic. Moreover, resorting to denigration speaks of a juvenile character and an accordingly feeble intellect on your part.

March 1, 2012 at 3:35 pm
(355) Too Funny says:

LMAO! This is way too funny. I was very close to an Armenian (well actually she was born in Australia but of course that had little impact on her upbringing). To say to her or her family that Armenia is in Asia was almost as bad as saying they were Turkish (which I never did, not wanting to be the recipient of a thrown plate to the head). Such a simple question, such contentious answers.

March 2, 2012 at 11:53 pm
(356) John Jay says:

I just looked over the map and the content and I can certify that these 3 countries are in European territory, No more argue guys!
http://www.worldatlas.com/cntycont.htm

March 15, 2012 at 3:54 pm
(357) Young Turk says:

Armenia and Azerbaijan are located entirely within ‘Asia’. Georgia is partly in Europe and partly in Asia. Those are the facts.

Georgians don’t speak an Indo-European language. Europeans do not even come from Caucasia, that is a 19th century myth. The main European Haplogroups (r1a, i) originate in South Asia and Southwest Asia.

About Muslim/Christian. Turks are more “European” than Armenians. Armenians are genetically closer to Arabs than to Europeans, hence why many Armenians have brown skin.

Don’t forget about the INDO part of the Indo-European languages.

Armenian is more closely related to Indo-Iranian and the Iranian branch of Indo-European languages than to any European language.

Is Iran in Europe now? What about Afghanistan, etc.?

You see where this argument goes?

Basques speak a language isolate (not Indo-European), yet by BLOOD they are still White Europeans.

BY BLOOD, Armenians are just mongrels who have more in common with dark-skinned Kurds, Arabs and Iraqis than with Europeans. Go take a look at the genetic data for the near east. Compare the fst (genetic distance) between Armenian and European populations and Armenian and Near Eastern populations. Don’t be afraid of the indisputable SCIENTIFIC data.

Being a Christian will NEVER make you a white, otherwise Chinese Christians can claim to be white.

Sorry Armos, you will never be Europeans, no matter how much you kiss European arse. They will always consider you to be their inferiors.

In Russia, skinhead gangs kill Armos for being “brown”. In the West, liberal Whites will tolerate you, but then again they will also tolerate blacks. Actually in many cases the liberal Whites have more respect for Blacks than for Armos. You are nothing special, even in that regard.

Before you start claiming to be White just because the census regards you as white, remember that Osama Bin Laden (brown Arab) was also considered to be white by the US government.

March 16, 2012 at 2:43 am
(358) White European @ Young turk says:

Everything you wrote is Wrong. I’m a White European and turks have never been, and will never be, considered as Whites or Europeans. Neither will Armenians or Azerbaijanis. With Georgians it’s debatable.

Also, another thing, not all Arabs are ‘brown’ as you put it. I have seen plenty of White Arabs, some of whom were whiter than me, and I’m from Northern Europe. In fact, I’m sure Arabs are closer related to Europeans than Turks are; who come from Central Asia or Mongolia.

Also, Iranians are more European than Turks, too (Turkish Kurds excepted).

One more thing; there is no such thing as “being White by blood”.

March 17, 2012 at 1:02 pm
(359) Young Turk says:

So, you must be a European ‘right-winger’. Everyone knows that the only reason why Turkey has not been accepted into the EU is because it is a Muslim-majority nation. The European right-wingers and the Vatican want to keep Turkey out of Europe for this reason alone. It doesn’t really make much sense when countries located in Asia such as Cyprus are allowed to join the EU. It is pure Islamophobia.

Go to Istanbul and then go to Yerevan, you’ll find many more European-looking people in Turkey than in Armenia. The armos look more like swarthy Kurds and Arabs.

The current Prime Minister of Turkey, Erdogan himself is of Georgian descent.

Not all Arabs are brown no, but then again if you go to remote regions of India and Pakistan, you will also find White-looking Indians and Pakistanis with blonde hair even. Are Indians also white, then? No, they are called Brown as that is what the majority of them look like. Similarly, the majority of Arabs are rather swarthy.

The Turkish people descend from the Oghuz Turks. They came to Anatolia from modern day Uzbekistan. You will find many caucasian looking people among the Uzbek Turks as well as the related Uighur Turks.

Iranians have a lot of Indian blood. Regarding the comment of White blood, I am referring to those of specific European subclades (certain types of r1a, r1b, i).

March 17, 2012 at 1:07 pm
(360) Young Turk says:

Correction: The Oghuz Turks are from Turkmenistan. What I meant to say is that many Uzbeks and Uyghurs also possess caucasian features.

March 17, 2012 at 7:39 pm
(361) White European @ Young Turk says:

I’m not a ‘right-winger’, no, but you seem to be a ‘Turkish supremicist’. Turkey as a Muslim nation – and for the most part geographically – belongs in Western Asia, not Europe. Why do you want to be European? that is the question.

You can’t generalize about Arabs because they too large and diverse a group.

Turks are part of Muslim civilization. And Turkey is part of Western Asia.

March 17, 2012 at 7:53 pm
(362) White European @ Young Turk says:

By the way, those Uzbeks and Turkmen with Caucasian features are Turkicized Persians. Most of them have Mongoloid features. Turkish is related to Mongolian.

March 19, 2012 at 11:23 pm
(363) Adam says:

To white european,

what you seem to be completely missing is that Turkey was once the Byzantine or east Roman empire which made Europe and all its former splendour possible. The empire in its existence was the centre of the lights of learning during a time when the rest of europe was in darkness. Its demise was a result from the 4th crusade at which its so called Christian brothers dealt a death blow to Constantinople and the consequently rest of the empire. Hence, Byzantium had already a Greek speaking population of mediterranian types who became Turkicised to a certain degree under the Ottomans after 1453. There weren’t always turks living there.

The Ottoman empire can be viewed as a model to certain parts of the world as it had benefits and positives compared to soviet or other empires. It also received a great exposure from modern europe. It also ended during WW1 and Turkey became secular afterwards. Therefore, Turkey is NOT a country that typically represents a muslim civilization and instead is more like a European country and has certainly evolved so. Turkey should be viewed as a European country.

March 20, 2012 at 2:08 pm
(364) White European @ Adam says:

What you seem to be completely missing is an awareness of the fact that Turkey (or more accurately, Ottoman Turks) destroyed the Byzantine Empire.

Claiming that Turkey is Byzantium is like claiming that Spain is Al-Andalus. The Castillian Spaniards destroyed Al-Andalus. Just like the Ottoman Turks destroyed Byzantium.

During the five centuries of Ottoman Empire, the Turks consistently referred to European Christians as ‘infidels’. This word appears in all the official Ottoman documents – covering centuries – as the standard nomenclature for European Christians.

March 24, 2012 at 12:38 am
(365) Marie says:

Usually when I’m not sure of something I simply shut the F….up, not to embarrass myself. Some comment here are outrageous.
I am Georgian and the line of Eupo-Asia falls on my country. Georgia is a boarder of Europe and Asia. And religion has nothing to do with it. Has any of you been to Georgia? The architecture is very diverse and very european and lifestyle as well. As for religion somebody mentioned christions in middle eastern countries. How can anyone be so dumb! the state religion of any middle eastern country is Islam and maybe there are 1-2% of christians there. The state religion of Georgia christianity and 95% of population is christian. By the way In the first half of the 4th century in Georgia Christianity was adopted as the state religion and was officially converted to Christianity in 326. Which means, that when my country became officially christian and civilized most of your countries and culture didn’t even existed.

March 24, 2012 at 1:51 am
(366) To Marie says:

You should have taken your own advice and shut the F…up; you’ve just embarrased yourself.

1. Georgia is 10% Muslim (and growing).
2. Christian does not equal ‘civilized’.
3. Your last sentence betrays real imbecility.

March 27, 2012 at 3:46 pm
(367) Giovanni Ferrari says:

They all take part in Eurovision hence they are in europe.

March 28, 2012 at 7:07 pm
(368) Andre Valmont says:

Part of the territory of Azerbaijan overlaps Caucasus mountain region, therefore part of Azerbaijan is indeed in Europe. Any partly-European country is considered European. Culture is definitely south-european.
Political border extends along the Western shore of Caspian Sea to Apsheron peninsula and then North-West from that point toward the northern shore of the Black Sea. Georgia is definitely in Europe for that reason as well as that that the ancient Greeks considered it such. Armenia is also partly in Europe. Hope to see all 3 countries in EU not too far from now

April 2, 2012 at 5:07 am
(369) Erik says:

Straightly from wikipedia. All three countries are on the border of Western Asia and Eastern Europe. But as it’s already said, Caucasus is south border of Europe. All 3 countries ARE in caucasus, but i would count Azerbaijan european because of its religion.

April 10, 2012 at 6:26 am
(370) Eva says:

All of you have to go and learn some geography with history. Armenians are Urartians or Hitties who belonged to Japeth Son of Noah. It is the family branch of all Europeans. When Armenia was Europe, Europe did not even exist. It was Celts and Saxons who CAME FROM ARMENIA 800 AD. ARMENIA KINGDOM OF CILICIA (CITY TARSUS) WHO LIVED THERE TURKS, GEORGIANS OR AZERIS? I’m sorry that I have to teach you this.

April 12, 2012 at 4:08 pm
(371) Biblical Idiot says:

Where do East Asians come from?

Japheth, Ham or Shem?

These Christians cannot even make up their mind on that issue. Did the writers of the Old Testament even know that Asians existed?

Obviously not.

Bible=Nonsense

If it were not for Christianity, Armenia would not even be considered remotely European. At least not any more European than Kurds.

April 12, 2012 at 5:28 pm
(372) shay007 says:

I have been to Georgia and Armenia and I got to say that if we were judging by the appearance of the people and their traditions and ways of live, then they are a mixture of both Asian and European. Of course, because of migration and such, Georgians have constantly mixed with other ethnic groups through the ages. To say they are European based on the way they look is highly flawed. I saw very brown Georgians all the way to those with lighter skin. The food they ate, some aspects of their language and the way they live as well as their traditions appear to be more asiatic than European. In any case, people should just embrace who they are as a nation rather than trying to appear as something they are not. Lets also not forget that Georgia was conquered by the Mongols, as well as the Ottomon empire at one time. There are still people (Ossetians) who are Iranian heritage. There are people of the mountains who have Mongolian and other heritage. Georgia is a society of mixed race people with a variant of many cultural flavors used to construct their own. Geographically, I say they are middle eastern- i.e. Asia

April 12, 2012 at 5:47 pm
(373) shay007 says:

By the way, for those of you who said that Georgian language belongs to Indo-European language groups you are wrong. Georgian language is said to be one of the most unique languages in the world meaning that it pulls words and symbols from a variety of languages around the world. I had even a Korean friend down in Georgia with me who said there were some similarities in Georgian words with Korean. I think Georgia is just one of those countries in history that being as it was a trade route, picked and chose aspects of various cultures that they liked, in order to define themselves. Even in Georgian surnames one can tell what the actual heritage is of another. That being said, Georgia is just Georgia. ANother country on the map at a crossroads georgraphically and culturally

April 30, 2012 at 8:16 am
(374) Stepan says:

I never really understood putting the Eur-Asia border to the Caucasus ridge as it makes Elbrus the european highest peak, while we all know it is the Mont Blanc :-) . So I clink to the definition of the boundary being between Kaspian and Azov sea, and so consider the 3 countries asian.
I visited Georgia nad Armenia last year and can´t really say where they are culturally, though.
I decided to contact some locals and ask them what they feel, that should provide more correct answer.
P.S.? I´m Czech with a university degree in geography, so I feel interested in this.

May 1, 2012 at 4:44 pm
(375) Historian says:

Armenia is between the border of asia and europe, in armenia people refer to the country to belong to europe,
but we can also say its a country in eurasia. which refers to the countries between the dividing line.

May 11, 2012 at 4:04 am
(376) dutch says:

I am Dutch and as a Dutch I can easily say that all three countries are not in Europe. If Istanbul is the border for the east. The Caucasus range in the south: it is Asia. Besides that culturally it is NOT Europe for a whole lot of reasons. But it is not bad to be Asian!

May 11, 2012 at 6:57 pm
(377) Adam says:

Dutch people are commonly referred to as Germans without brains. Your comment is worth peanuts and lacks any intelligent input.

May 11, 2012 at 8:26 pm
(378) John says:

Armenia is entirely located within the boundaries of Asia. The Armenians are actually more closely related to Kurds on a racial basis.

Azerbaijan was historically part of Iran, so that is an Asian nation as well.

Georgians are a true Caucasus people, who just happen to be swarthier versions of Northern Caucasus peoples such as Chechens and Dagestanis.

Keep in mind that genetically, Armenians, Azeris, Georgians, Chechens, etc. cluster more closely with Iraqis and Iranians than they do with Europeans.

So, they are not part of Europe, no, although I will say that Caucasus peoples are most definitely distinct from both Indo-Europeans and Semites.

If one claims that Armenians are Europeans, then one may as well claim that Palestinians and Iraqis are Europeans as well.

The outrageous Asiatic Pontians and Armenians with inferiority complexes who pretend to be “White” while posting here are truly entertaining.

Keep in mind that up until the slavic expansion into the eastern regions of what is now modern European Russia, the peoples who inhabited those parts were not White Europeans proper, but rather chinky-eyed Finno-Ugric peoples similar to Lapps and the Sami people.

Europeans do not even originate from the Caucasus. The predominant Caucasian haplogroup marker is G, and that is barely found in Europe. Caucasians also possess much J1 which again is barely found in Europe.

Europeans originally descend from Northern Indians (Haplogroup R1a1 is an Indian Haplogroup) and Western Anatolians (Haplogroup I). So in fact, modern Turkish people are actually closer to Europeans than the Armenians are.

May 12, 2012 at 3:37 pm
(379) Mustafa says:

Haha, Armenia in Europe.

Everyone knows that Armenians are darker than Turks. They are like Arabs.

May 13, 2012 at 7:27 am
(380) Jose says:

I’d say that while Northern Caucasians could be considered White, Southern Caucasians are more of a question. Many of them look Iranian.

Turkey seems to have a lot of diversity in general. There are European-looking Turks as well as Arab-looking Turks and even Asian-looking Turks. They are like an Eastern Mediterranean melting pot.

May 13, 2012 at 4:06 pm
(381) Alex says:

Regarding Chechens:

It’s not about mixture. Chechens don’t look Iranian but they also don’t look Russian or Greek. Genetically Chechens are Anatolian people with Northern admixture while Iranians are Anatolians with South Asian. Of course you don’t look alike. In fact Iranians are darker than even Armenians.

I love that Armenians are considered more European here because they are Orthodox Christian.

They are actually Oriental Orthodox and they are not far from an average Middle Easterner racially. Then again proper Caucasus can be divided into South with Abkhazs and Georgians and North. The differences (genetic) betwen these parts certainly exist but they are rather minor on a global.
Overall I consider neither Georgia nor North Caucasus as European and certainly not Armenia

On Armenia – they are a mix of Caucasus and Anatolia/Levant.Like Azeris are a mix of Caucasus/Iran.

May 15, 2012 at 3:09 am
(382) Kaz says:

Armenia is Asia.

Armenians are a darker race like Arabians. If there are White-looking Armenians then it is because they have Turkish blood running through their veins.

Georgia is both in Asia and Europe and Azerbaijan is mostly Asian.

May 22, 2012 at 7:58 am
(383) Davityan says:

I am armenian.. I born in Armenia..I believe that Armenia located in Asia. Armenia is not Europe.. Some part of North Georgia and North Azerbaijan located in Europe. Armenia non part of located in Europe…

May 23, 2012 at 11:52 am
(384) amiko says:

Kaz, please, what are you talking about? im not armenian but i know that they were all look like european but the conquerors like iran, osmans changed the skin of this nation)) and not vice versa… and what about black skinned men in france for example , aren’t they europeans ?

May 24, 2012 at 12:35 am
(385) Anar says:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Europe . here is what wikipedia says so i guess no need to argue enter and take a look, Armenia is not even listed there by the way….

May 24, 2012 at 12:55 am
(386) Anar says:

And about Christianity and stuff religion does not affect region halllooo and by the way Jesus was from Middle East so then all europeans should be Middle Eastern?

May 24, 2012 at 11:14 pm
(387) Beka says:

Hello folks, let me explain you this issue correct way. When we speak about these countries we should take into consideration a lot things.

By geography: europe is ending on caucasus mountains and only Georgia is one country which is in part of Europe because the massive area of territory set on Caucasus mauntains.

By culture: only georgia and slightly can be armenia as well, turkey and azerbaijan are pure asian culture and lifestyle.

By religion: georgia is 90% orthodox church from the 1st century, officialy from 324 year as the state religion. As refers azerbaijan, turkey they are 99% islamic and armenia is christain but their specific church.

Conclusion: only georgia is pure european country and it can’t be said but might be armenia little, but azerbaijan and turkey are not european countries they are usual asian states.

May 25, 2012 at 11:44 am
(388) Anar says:

Beka i guess you didn’t notice last two comments and study Caucasian Mountains better and you will see that they end in Iran passing through Russia, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia and also being European or Asian or African or American wont make you or your nation more civilized it all depends on how people treat to each other and how they behave in general.

May 25, 2012 at 4:16 pm
(389) Hannah says:

Armenia is in the Middle East. Turkey is in Europe, regardless of acknowledging a genocide they and some Russians created.
I hate the USA; I wish the USSR won the Cold War and created their master Russian race. The USA stinks because they don’t recognize the Armenian Genocide.

May 25, 2012 at 9:03 pm
(390) Anar says:

USA doesn’t just stink because of that, I have lived in United States for 2 years not In New York not in LA,Miami or DC i stayed in small cities and small towns and believe me there is still discrimination left against non-white people, non-protestant christians, gays and etc. there is still segregation of people i just don’t understand why everybody believes that is such a civilized country, i don’t think during Soviet time there were people with black power or white power or christian power brown power and etc

May 28, 2012 at 1:40 pm
(391) Armenia says:

I am armenian and i think we are asians. armenians look like cross between arab and monkey and any blond hairs we have are all because of mixing with Turkey.

I speak truth.

May 28, 2012 at 3:21 pm
(392) Tomasz says:

Let me explain to you what political or cultural Europe Asia divide is.
I’ll do this in strictly geographical terms. I am Polish. I live in Poland. Vistula (Wisła in Polish) river divides Poland pretty much right in the middle. I have friends that say everything east from Vistula river is Asia and everything west from Vistula is Europe. I thought first that this is ridiculous opinion, but with time I tend to agree with it more and more. I live about 150 meters west from the river so I am 100% European.

May 30, 2012 at 4:53 pm
(393) PEOPLE VS LAND says:

This is and OLD article & most posts are OLD. But incase someone reads and wants to know….

PEOPLE VS LAND

People can be of EUROPEAN ORIGINS & live in Asia.
People can be of ASIAN ORIGINS & live in Europe.
People can have predominantly ASIAN DNA & speak a European Language & vice versa.

LAND NEVER CHANGES!

EUROPE IS DEFINED AS ABOVE. Highest peaks of the Ural Mountains and so forth.

When speaking of countries like Georgia…its PARTIALLY IN ASIA & PARTIALLY IN EUROPE. This is not hard to understand. Now is their DNA or Language or Culture European…thats a seperate discussion. BUT THIS ARTICLE IS SPEAKING ABOUT LAND!!

June 5, 2012 at 11:09 am
(394) Vittorio says:

I’m a kayaker and in 1990 I run the river Mzimta that mark the border from Russia and Georgia (Abkazia). When I paddled, if I stay near the riverside right I was in Europe, if I stay on the riverside left I was in Asia.
I’ m Agronomist and I remember the great differences of the vegetation on the Caucasian mounts. I really thought that we where in Asia: in any other place of Europe I have never seen similar strange trees and flowers.
Asia, this three country are asiatics. No doubt.

June 7, 2012 at 7:10 pm
(395) danny says:

This issue is deeper than just semantics, this is a question of geography, physical location , not political or cultural ties. So whomever populates the countries of Azerbaijan , Armenia or Georgia has no bearing on where geographically they are located, i.e In which continent.. It was a good point raised that Australia is more “European” than some European countries, however no one is making the argument that it belongs in Europe.
But it is worth noting, as it has been, the definition of a what a continent is, is completely subjective. There are NO FIXED RULES, the argument for “Eurasia and Afro-Eurasia” that a continent has to be a land mass surrounded by water doesn’t fit, for me, New Zealand is a three hour flight from Australia, a substantial distance, if we were to say a continent is land surrounded by water then is it not a stretch to include countries such as NZ and Micronesia (6 hours!) with Australia. Therefore there is an argument to made that continents are defined as what we define them to be, by consensus.
This consensus has been made by placing physical land marks as barriers around groups of similar people. The boundaries of continents are not random, they are specifically chosen to group like minded people together. So it really is cultural and political influences that determines which continent your in,
For three countries above they would have to convince the world as a whole that they are similar enough to other European countries to redefine the current agreed boundaries of Europe, if they don’t currently fall into these.
So to swing full circle, if these countries don’t fit with in the physical boundaries of Europe as defined ( I make no comment of whether they do or not, others seem more knowledgeable than me on the subject ) then they are not part of Europe. There political or cultural influences have no bearing until a time when they are strong enough to convince the world to redefine boundaries.

June 10, 2012 at 9:33 pm
(396) Mano says:

Hi everyone,

1. I think Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia are in the European map for geopolitical reasons. Being in Europe they can be claimed and defended by NATO in the event of a major clash between the West and Russia and perhaps Iran. All these countries and particularly Azerbaijan, were part of Iran or controlled by her, and later by Russia.

2. Turkey is mix-race country. The Turkish gene pool contains those of Greeks, Italians and other Europeans, Persians, Turks and others.

2. Armenians, and particularly Azeries and many South Caucasians are related to larger Iranian people. If they are lighter it is because they live in northern latitudes.

3. In Iran itself the northerners are lighter than those in the south. Is is difficult to understand? Southern Italians and Greeks are darker than Northern Europeans. Again, Northern Chinese are much lighter than those in the South, etc.

4. But hey, what is this fuss being a European or having lighter skin or eye color? Where did the European Civilization come from. Greeks, Romans, and of course Western Asia and Middle East.

June 15, 2012 at 1:06 pm
(397) rezo says:

GEORGIA is GEORGIA. it is the only one country, which does not belongs any of this continents in the earth.

June 20, 2012 at 12:22 am
(398) Emma says:

@(299) mihran,

I do not know what your Armenian family looks like but my Armenian family has very varying skin color and eyes with all shades of brown, green and blue.
Slanted eyes? I yet to see and Armenian with slanted eyes.

Here are some random pictures of Armenian children.

http://armeniansworld.com/?p=12070

June 20, 2012 at 8:59 pm
(399) Ross says:

Wow, after reading many of the commments, I’ve come to a conclusion…most people do not know how to support a point. Were talking stricly geography here. There’s a very technical answer here. I know the southern border of Europe does involve the Caucasus Mountains. Whether it’s at its foot or northern border..I’m not surea ( I guess we need a “georgrapher” in here..that would end the debate). However I know that Azerbaijan and Georgia have PARTIAL European territory and Armenia does not have any. Don’t bring up religion or culture. Those are invalid. Just because Georgia and Armenia are predominantly christian countries doesnt magically change their borders or make them apart of a new continent. Keep in mind that several countries within Europe’s borders are muslim-Albania, Bosnians, a small portion of Bulgarians. The Caucasus countries have a rich and distinct culture. There should be no shame in considering your countries borders as part of Asia. However, that being said, culturally..I personally consider these three countires to be “Eurasian”. This term fits their culture, the waves of other countries to annex them- persian empire, ottoman, and soviet union, and as a georgraphical intersection. BUT TECHNICALLY AGAIN- AZERBAIJAN AND GEORGIA HAVE PARTIAL TERRITORY WITHIN EUROPES BOUNDARIES AND ARMENIA DOES NOT. Sorry if I offended any Amernians…believe me, stating that Armenia does not contain European territory in no way means I’m trying to demote your culture or people. poopy

June 30, 2012 at 7:52 am
(400) Giannhs Greece says:

geographically azerbaijan armenia and georgia belong to asia but the armenian historical and cultural reasons belonging to europe.Georgia borders the europian rusia and armenia is in europe when it belongs to Georgia in europe.The azerbaijan borders the europian rusia armenia and Georgia at wich half azerbaijan is in europe.
Azerbaijan Armenia and Georgia bordering asian countries like other europian countries.
AZERBAIJAN ARMENIA and GEORGIA is IN EUROPE.

July 3, 2012 at 7:20 am
(401) Pontians are Turks says:

This guy, ‘Giannhs Greece’, is obviously some Pontian Turk.

His ancestors were Turkish speaking refugees to Gayreece.

What a fake Hellene.

What’s worse is that these asiatic profsigi pontians are now squatting on historical Macedonian lands.

All Asians back to Asia. Keep Europe, European.

No Arabs, Turks, Armenians, Pontians, or Pakistanis are welcome.

July 3, 2012 at 1:13 pm
(402) CARLOPETO says:

I completely agree with Ross and will repeat many of his sentences.
We are talking stricly geography here. The southern border of Europe is defined by the Caucasus Mountains.
Don’t bring up religion or culture. Those are invalid. Just because Georgia and Armenia are predominantly christian countries doesn’t magically change their borders or make them part of a new continent. There should be no shame in considering your countries borders as part of Asia.
For instance, everyone agrees that Mexico is in North America, although their culture, language, history, ethnia, etc. are all Latino and have total heritage associated with Central and South America (“Latin America”).
Geographically, Mexico is in North America (and Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia are in Asia). Culturally, Mexico is part of Latin America (and our three countries in question are part of Eurasia).
Simple: 3 countries in Asia, with some cultural ties to Europe.

July 8, 2012 at 9:19 am
(403) kram says:

The question is which part these three countries was in Asia or Europe?

what’s wrong with this people answering unfairly

” it’s a disgrace to become Asian.”

same as what 401 had said

“All Asians back to Asia. Keep Europe, European.No Arabs, Turks, Armenians, Pontians, or Pakistanis are welcome.”

were all just living in the same world why thus we have to consider inequality what’s wrong being Asian? what’s wrong being American? what’s wrong being European? and so on…
we all had different histories and many of them are worst in human history.
from my opinion all this people answering like this are people living in old world were there’s extreme inequality all over. are this people reading their history books? isn’t it visible enough that inequalities is the main reason why wars had occur.
inequality in beliefs or faith, inequality in physical appearance, inequality of many other things that make us humans hate each other. merely gone we are now living in a better world we are now in a world where extreme inequalities is gone.
i’m not saying all this for the benefit of the third gender or what so ever.
what i’m telling is respect to one another even if it’s your brother, your mother, your father, your co-worker, your siblings or your neighbor even he or she is black, yellow, white or other different nationalities or just a creature living in this planet.

what they should have been saying was.. “it’s a disgrace to become racist or it’s a disgrace to become a terrorist or a killer a murderer or other sinful things. god gave us the knowledge to think critically, thoroughly we must learn that we all just living the same we breath we drink we eat we sleep we live and all of us dies. our world is a beautiful place why are we oppressing our lives and the lives of another.

and for my answer for the question Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan geographically is located in Eurasia just like Ross said.

stop killing each other. start caring one another.

July 24, 2012 at 6:47 am
(404) sergius says:

When speaking about geography, one should be more precise. The Caucasus is not something like a single border line on the map. There is Big Caucasus, as well as Small Caucasus. If the mountains can be considered as lines on the map, then Georgia is exactly between them. Generally speaking, overlap of Europe and Asia forms on a European plate a line wide enough to accommodate Georgia. The best proof of my idea would be if several drill-holes are drilled, deep enough to reach continental plates for further analyses. Though, regardless the sampling results, Georgia culturally has been a part of Europe. Here are my points: 1) Georgian polyphonic singing goes back to distant past (similar style is retained on Corsica); 2) till 19th century its name was Iberia; 3) In Spanish Basque lands, a lot of topographical names find exact words in Georgian, like the Mount Archanda, names Aritmendi and Arizmendi, towns Gori and Poti, family names Gigauri, Bocheria, etc.

July 24, 2012 at 10:44 pm
(405) Eartian says:

There are many basis for determining continental boundries used here. I believe culture is not a good basis, because the majority of the canadians and people of the US and New Zealanders and Australians come from English people and have simular culture. So if culture was used as the basis, then those countries would be European as well, which is problematic. Furthermore, measuring the cultural ‘Europeaness’ or ‘Asianess’ of a country can be very subjective and would be difficult to measure. Hence, vulture is not a suitable basis to define the continents.

The Earth’s tectonic plates would be a far more suitable basis. But there are many tectonic plates which are small and have no significant land masses on them.

So perhaps we should only take into account large enough tectonic plates.

If that were to be followed, the we would have the following continents:

North America, South America, the Pacific, Australia, Antartica, India (continent consisting of India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and possibly Tibet), Arabia (which would NOT include Turkey or Iran), and Eurasia (as Europe and Asia are of a single tectonic plate. That makes 8 continents.

Hence Armenia would be in Eurasia.

July 24, 2012 at 10:54 pm
(406) Eartian says:

Alternatively, if there is to be a separate Europe and Asia, and the Ural mountains are accepted as being the dividing line on the eastern side, it would be logically consistent to use the Caucasus mountains as the diving line on the souther side.

In that case, Armenia would be in Asia.

Armenians need not take offence at that, as it has nothing to do with culture, but geographic practicality.

July 24, 2012 at 11:47 pm
(407) storage says:

The Philippines,

7000 white sanded beached islands, very cheap, very friendly , GREAT diving. 50c beers and $10 for aircon double bedroom. Travel around by Internal flights, by FAR the easiest way to get around, a 10 hour bus will cost about $2, but a 40 min flight to the same area will be about $15 if you book in advance, more like $30-$40 on the day, fly everywhere its so much easier than buses and boats that take longer and can be more expensive, although boats are cool once in a while. You can only fly in and out of Manila and Cebu, so if you want to go from X to Y you will have to fly into Manila or Cebu and back out, but still FAAR quicker than bus and not that expensive. My advice would be have a rough idea in mind what you want to do but you don’t really need to book too far ahead, you might pay a fraction more but for flexibility its worth it. Palawan is the best place to go, and Apo Island is the best of diving that doesn’t involve a boat stay. Diving cost about $75 for 3 dives and lunch for a day trip, plus full hire. Or about $30 for one of dives.

Go and enjoy!!

Manila
Capital – get in , get out. Don’t linger, it has some nice spots, but it’s a big smelly polluted city, full of questionably underage hookers. There are a lot better places to be so leave as soon as you can. Does have an AWESOME nightlife though….

Note, the airport there is 4 terminals that are NOT connected, you need to get buses from one to another ( or walk depending which terminals ) but some can take 30-40 mins by bus to reach so plan this in for connecting flights.

If your stuck at the airport for a while, do what I do, do upstairs to the lounges, pay about $6 and get unlimited free food, alcohol and wifi, makes the flight home much more fun….

July 24, 2012 at 11:48 pm
(408) oither says:

Palawan

My favourite place in the Philippines. Very rugged, and beautiful, “wild” as the guides call it, you have to put up with sporadic power and no roads, and bad buses, but get there by flying into Puerto Princessa and head up to El Nido, and the islands, then keep heading further and further up the islands and fly out of Coron rather than in and out of Peurto Princessa. When you arrive leave Peurto Princessa ASAP, so try and arrive early in the morning as buses out only run until lunch ( usually ) EL Nido has some really good diving, look for the white dive shop on the beach run by the friendly German, he was cool! After El Nido jump on a ferry to Coron and do some of the best wreck diving of anywhere in the world, there are something like 23 WW2 wreck down there. Then fly back out of Coron.

Siquijor Island
Beautiful little island of the coast of Dumaguete city and Bohol island, its has one raod that goes all round the island , 72km long, grab a moped and spend a day driving around and stopping at your own beaches and getting petrol for a 50c out of pepsi bottles. The island is desserted and If you go through the middle, its home to witchcraft and magic…. Woooooooo.

Dumaguete City
On Negros island , probably the only good city in Philippines, it’s a student town and has good nightlife and is a great spot of day trips to Apo island, Siquijor island or the twin lakes. Apo Island is probably top 3 places in the Philippines and the only one easily available from land, just jump on a day dive from Dumaguete or the surrounding areas, this is where I dove with Whale sharks ( 5 of them ) although they weren’t supposed to be there…..

Bohol
Island to the south of Cebu ( the second city ) it has the chocolate hills and the worlds smallest primates ( 10cms high) also has Alona beach that its semi touristy and you can do island hopping and snorkeling from it, or heaps of other more deserted beaches. Some diving of Alona ,

July 24, 2012 at 11:48 pm
(409) other part 1 says:

but there are better places , so you could dive while there, but I wouldn’t go solely for diving.

Apo Island
Tiny island near Siquijor and Dumaguete amazing for diving and snrokling. AMAZING!!! ( see Dumaguete City above )

Donsol
tiny village town where between December and march you are guaranteed to swim with whale sharks, also has huge volcano for climbing,. You can not dive with the wahle sharks, but you can snorkel, I dove with whale sharks of Apo Island, but that was an accident that they were there. But this is still a must do.

Boracay
the “ party island” actually good fun for a few days it’s a small and has a 7km white sanded beach that has bars and restaurants along it the whole way, the most touristy spot in the Philippines, but I did have a fun here and just relaxing for a few days with $5 massages and nice food, loads of bars and nightclubs, good for for a little bit. Is actually quite good for diving in the sense, that it is so easy, loads of dive shops along the beach, you pay for just one of dives , about $30 a go ( full hire ) and you are just lying on the beach, fancy a dive, walk into the shop , ask to go out , 30 mins later you and the guide are out on your for a dive. The dives are good, not fantastic, but for a one on one with a guide and convenience, cant beet it.

Rice Terrace
1000 year old rice terriaces, very impressive and good hiking, check um out!

Other
There are lots of other dive spots, these are just the ones I went to and would recommend, there is a reef of Palawan that starts with T…. that you have to go on a 5 day boat stay, but is ment to be some of the best diving in the whole world if you super keen……

August 28, 2012 at 9:21 pm
(410) Aking says:

Got tired of reading through this ongoing debate. Just want to say that being in Europe doesn’t mean the same as being European. A strong culture should thrive without reference to simple place-name geography. Some, like turkey and georgia straddle these boundaries geographically, the rest is another argument for another column that’s not about simple boundaries.

September 8, 2012 at 1:13 pm
(411) LEPPO says:

Those that like to be called Asians can do so, but as an Armenian, oldest Christian civilasation, we are a European civilisation whether the Caucasus mountains divide the continents is TOTALLY immaterial.
Jesus Christ did not set that rule. It was made by humans based on natural landscapes. The current landscape is cultural. End of discussion. Those Armenians that want to be part of Europe for what it culturally means (specially after we lost 1.5 million people), follow me. Those that have arabised themselves due to settlement after the Genocide can call themselves what they like. Other that are not Armenians who are nor happy with our presence in euriope landscape, tough luck. All your countries are islamising, so go sove your problems because if it was mnot for our sacrifice, you would be praying on a mat.
European is our civilastion. Because of what it actually still mean culturally. WE do not need the approval of nobody to ascertain our heritage and culture. We died for it.Take a good pen and place a new line on your atlas. To those who deny our culture placement, I would like to see their credentials.

September 17, 2012 at 1:10 am
(412) can says:

vartan be careful your words. !

October 6, 2012 at 11:17 am
(413) Jami says:

wua…..I am even more confused than at the beginning….How many states has Europe? As I was teached in school these countries were considered to be in Asia, recently I fount out that books, inthernet and other sources just contradict….
But that doesn’t mean you have the right to start a fight here . Only God knows how it’s suposed to be. Culturally they are european, geographically they are asian. So it means they are both european and asian. I like the mixed things, how sad the world would be with only cocoa or with only vanilla. Both they rock! Peace! (I hope teachers won’t ask us on our exam papers How many states Europe has….hihihi)

October 7, 2012 at 10:03 am
(414) Morogth says:

Historically and generally, the geographic border between Europe and Asia is the Caucasus Mountains. Some dispute this, and define the border as the Araxes River. This is key in the debate, as it means some nations are geographically either European or Asian, depending on your preference.

Then there’s the cultural/social/political debate. Politically, these states are working to be accepted into the European Union (if they aren’t already). Culturally they have integrated themselves quite well – there’s participation in Eurovision, the European Football League, Miss Europe and more. Wikipedia’s article on Armenia states that “it is considered a European country by the European Union”. It should be noted, however, that the same page is also part of Wikipedia’s Asia portal.

Historically there are ties to both European and Asian empires, and there are strong influences from both in culture and politics. However, one argument I would dismiss is the idea that, due to its predominantly Christian religious affiliation, it should be considered European.

Christ is said to be from Israel, a nation whose very political existence is hotly disputed. For those who do acknowledge it, the consensus is that it is Asian, but with strong social, political and cultural European ties. Which essentially means that Christianity was founded in – yep, you guessed it – EITHER Asia or Europe but probably Asia. The idea that Christianity is European likely stems from the spread of Catholicism during the age of the Roman Empire which, of course, began in Rome, Italy.

So, Europe or Asia? As callous as it may sound, the only real conclusion I can offer is that you draw your own conclusion; whether you rely on the geographical evidence or the cultural & political background is entirely up to you. If the residents of those nations can’t agree (see 3, 13, 50, 59 & 60 for example), how can the rest of the world decide?

October 8, 2012 at 9:24 am
(415) Georgia says:

Georgia and Azerbaijan has European parts but very small. for Georgia is is Some high pountain passes and for Azerbiajan is northern part os caspian sea. 97% of Georgia and 99% of Azerbaijan is in Asia. Armenia is 100% in Asia.

October 18, 2012 at 4:35 am
(416) AryanArmenian says:

Armenian history, culture, music, arts and everything else is European…Geography does not make a country European….It’s all the things mentioned above…
Follow this link: http://europa.eu/about-eu/countries/other-countries/armenia/index_en.htm

LONG LIVE ARMENIANS!!!
LONG LIVE THE ARMENIAN ARYAN NATION!!!
LONG LIVE FREE AND INDEPENDENT ARTSAKH!!!

October 25, 2012 at 4:35 am
(417) Arafath says:

I also agree with your thought. Gorgea exactly is in western Asia and this city is for the lovers of travelers. you can check this the-travel-masters.com/the-strangest-buildings-of-the-world-new-parliament-of-georgia.html for your interest

November 3, 2012 at 5:47 pm
(418) George says:

Armenians are brown like Arabs. They don’t have anything to do with Europeans.

Their only place in history is being b!tches of the Byzantine Empire.

Azeris are by and large Iranians. Of the listed groups, only Georgians are true ‘Caucasians’ like Chechens. Caucasians are not Europeans either. They are basically depigmented Middle Easterners. They mainly have different features. Look at Erdogan (Turkish PM of Georgian descent) and Saakashvelli, for example. Europeans originally come from Central Asia, not the Middle East.

Caucasian haplogroup is G.

European haplogroups are R1a and R1b.

November 3, 2012 at 5:55 pm
(419) mikhail says:

Neither Armenians nor Azeris nor Georgians have anything to do with Europeans. They look more like Arabs.

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November 8, 2012 at 6:20 am
(420) balbeck says:

I think these countries are in Asia.But Israel where is?Why they play in Europe competion?
Israel play in European Cup.Why?Israel is Asia or Europe?I think Israel is Asia,but they want to put Israel in Europe.

November 17, 2012 at 6:58 pm
(421) Julian K. says:

Armenia and Georgia are part of Eastern Europe! Both countries are Christian states. Both countries speak Indo-European languages. Both countries have a long history and connection to Europe. Both Armenia and Georgia are part of the Council of Europe and Eastern Partnership Program. Armenia’s largest trading partner is the European Union. Both Georgia and Armenia ARE considered European states by the EU and have the right to join the EU in the future, if they want. Many political parties in Georgia and Armenia are in favor of joining the EU. Culturally, Armenians and Georgians are European. And both countries are emerging democracy’s and aspire to be more connected to Europe. Therefore, Armenia & Georgia are European and will most likely join the European Union (hopefully) within the next 10-15 years! :)

November 17, 2012 at 7:03 pm
(422) Julian K. says:

Oh & I forgot to mention that Armenia was actually the first country in the world to become Christian (In the year 301 BC). And today, around 98% of the population is Christian.

November 24, 2012 at 7:58 pm
(423) Armenian says:

Julian K.You are SO wrong the Christian population is roughly 33 percent of the world.

December 13, 2012 at 2:20 pm
(424) caledonian says:

wish armenians would decide which they want to belong to , europe or asia . as a scotsman i would want armenia in europe , and this is how i see them .

December 22, 2012 at 10:13 am
(425) Mark says:

Georgia is a European country; it is in no way Asian. Armenia has had a far more Asian influence on its culture, but that, too, is still more or less European, and shouldn’t be discounted from Europe just because of its proximity to the Middle East. Azerbaijan is totally Asian in its culture, language and religion.
I suppose the only relevance of this debate is whether or not these countries should be included into the EU, and though it’s not politically correct to say so, whether or not they would be compatible with the other countries of the group. Georgia would be, Armenia too, given time, but Azerbaijan and Turkey should never be considered European or allowed into the EU.

January 11, 2013 at 2:14 pm
(426) Arthur says:

Mark’s answer is by far the most ridiculous one on this thread. According to him, the EU is a ‘Christian Union’. It’s ironic, because Turks are actually ‘whiter’ than Armenians, on average. Anyway, Europeans originally subscribed to European pagan religions, which never had anything to do with the kavkaz, armenia, cyprus, etc. Armenians were worshiping fire alongside their persian brothers, since armenians are basically a mix of iranian intruders in the caucasus and georgians; historically they were heavily influenced by iran. Iranians and Armenians are basically conquered Middle Easterners who were forced to speak IE languages, at least according to DNA.

The only Europeans are R1a, R1b and I types. So, this encompasses the region from Portugual/Spain in the West to Russia in the East and Bulgaria/Macedonia and Central Italy in the South.

Southern Italians, Albanians and Greeks are mongrels who have sustained significant admixture from neolithic middle eastern migrants as well as later anatolian and levantine immigrants. Originally, the Greeks were white europeans, now they look like middle eastern anatolians from generations of mixing with anatolians during the Ancient Greek/Roman/Byzantine empires. In fact, they are genetically identical to ‘Turkish’ middle easterners. Yes, the original Turks were slant-eyed asians, but most of the ‘Turkish’ are just middle easterners who were forced to speak turkish, no different from anatolians during the byzantine empire and ancient Greek empire who were forced to speak greek.

So, for that reason you will find that many Latin American Mestizos/Castizos resemble Italians/Greeks as well in addition to Middle Easterners. That is not a native white phenotype, it is a mixed one.

The funny thing is that if Chechnya were independent, these idiots who think that Armenia is in Europe, would be against Chechnya joining the EU even though Chechens are 100x whiter than arab looking armenians.

January 11, 2013 at 2:15 pm
(427) Arthur says:

By the way, Kavkazians as well as Armenians are genetically closest to Persians and other Middle Easterners.They have nothing to do with White Europeans, some of them are lighter due to living in the mountains and depigmentation, however their features are different. Just look at Nuristianis (depigmented Afghans) and kalashes (depigmented Indian/Pakistanis).

January 11, 2013 at 5:32 pm
(428) Adam says:

To Arthur,

your commentary is very shallow and even racist. Religion of a nation is linked to the culture and is thus influences it’s history and politics. Your view does not seem to go passed skin tonation and DNA, which is a very narrow minded point of view (and somewhat of Hitler’s philosophy during WW2).

You are also very rude to insult an entire race that was almost cmpletely wiped out via a genocide by the Kurds in WW1.

Also, get your facts right. Armenians are very European by culture as they fought for their survival for many centuries in a bad neighbourhood and still stuck to their Christianity. Turks have had a strong orientation to European influence by being inviolved in European affairs for most of its existence. Though it could have gone the way of Iran, Attatrurk changed its direction and modernised the country that is today predominantly European in culture and politics.

January 12, 2013 at 9:02 pm
(429) Arthur says:

Armenians have more in common with arabs than they do with europeans. Not only genetically, but also culturally. They are similar to arab christians. They should join the arab league. Neither Turkey nor Azerbaijan nor any Kavkaz nation can be considered ‘truly’ European.

When Europeans adopted Christianity, a religion that initially began as a heretical judaic levantine semitic cult, they modified it during the Roman Empire to adapt it to European traditions. So, that is where all of these Roman pagan celebrations/festivals such as Christmas, Valentine’s Day, etc are originally derived from. Even the eucharist was originally a type of mithraic ritual.

By the way, Middle Eastern Christians were seen as heretics by the Romans, as they mixed their own middle eastern traditions and maintained a modified interpretation of the Christian religion. So, Middle Easterners, whether Christian or Muslim have always maintained separate cultures from Europeans.

Actually, when the Muslims invaded and conquered the Middle East, they were often welcomed with open arms by the native middle eastern christians who were themselves oppressed by the romans/byzantines.

About ‘the genocide’. Keep in mind that it was that christians who ethnically cleansed the middle east of much of its original pagan population first. Armenians are Apostolic, so they are culturally distinct from both western christians and eastern orthodoxes.

As far as Ataturk et al. go; his group of army donmehs are slowly beginning to wind down in Turkey. At the rate Turkey is going, it will be Islamic soon enough.

January 15, 2013 at 10:05 pm
(430) Hilda says:

Geography – Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan are Asian countries. Linguistics – Georgian is Kartvelian language origin from caucASIA. Armenian is indoEuropian language a Balkan grouping including Greek, Armenian, Phrygian and Albania. Azeri language is Oghuz Turkic language origins from Southwestern Asia. By the way Georgian and Armenian one of the oldest languages ​​in the world but Azeri language was formed (made) between 1900 and 1930. Cultural – Georgia and Armenia are Europian and Christian Countries. Azerbaijan is Asian muslim country. Historical – Armenia by the different historians and philosophers have been considered EUROPEAN: While the Armenians were known to history much earlier (for example, they were mentioned in the 6th century BC Behistun Inscription and Xenophon’s 4th century BC history, The Anabasis, the oldest surviving Armenian language text is the 5th century AD Bible translation of Mesrob Mashtots. Georgia also . About Azerbaijan – nothing in history, coz modern Turkic Azerbaijan was formed in end of XIX century Tatar and Turkic nomads

January 16, 2013 at 3:52 pm
(431) John says:

The Armenian language is most closely related to the iranian grouping of languages. Nothing to do with Balkan languages. If they are ‘Europeans’, then so are Persians.

February 11, 2013 at 11:08 pm
(432) V says:

This argument is pathetic, there really is NO ACTUAL BOUNDARY. These three countries are in Eurasia geographically.

February 12, 2013 at 12:50 pm
(433) David says:

My opinion:

People who try to claim that Georgia is a “middle eastern country” in fact reveal either their bias toward Georgians or low degree of knowledge of both cultures.

I will try to speak about Georgia-Sakartvelo and Georgians-Kartvelians

History: Georgia was historically formed as a result of unification of two Georgian/Kartvelian states.

Colchis—-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchis
Iberia—— http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Iberia

Geography:

North part of Georgia belongs to “geographic Europe” (approximately 40 % of country’s territory). The rest of its territories belong to Asia (please see Wikipedia for details-http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Continents_vide_couleurs.png).

Culture:

Georgian culture-neither European (nothing to compare with Nordic Europeans, Scandinavians, Finns, Germans etc.) ,nor Asian (nothing to compare with oriental Asians, Central Asians and Middle East) I would say. Culture of this country is very unique with historical influence of Byzantine from the west, Russia from north. Due to rich history and culture Georgians managed to preserve their identity in everything (fine art, dance, architecture, literature, etc).

Race:

look: Georgians more look like so-called Mediterranean Europeans (by the way are they Europeans for some people here? :) ). You can find different mixes as well (Similar to Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal, France and even Germany).

Genetics: Genetically speaking , one can consider Georgia supplier of G2a haplogroup, which is pretty much part of Europe now (http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_G2a_Y-DNA.shtml).

Religion:

One of the first countries adopting Christianity as a state religion ( 337 AD). Religion influences culture and mentality as well to certain extent not only in Georgia.

Values:

Georgian society is guided by and share true christian values.

February 13, 2013 at 3:47 am
(434) MM says:

Who the hell caresssssssssssssssss haha this is one long debate with no end! Just call them Eurasian & call it a day!

February 17, 2013 at 2:35 pm
(435) Mark says:

Georgians are Caucasus people. They are neither Middle Easterners nor Europeans, however they are genetically closer to the former than the later. In terms of culture and language, they are isolated, and their religion is based on Byzantine orthodoxy.

Haplogroup G is not an Indo-European marker, that is a caucasus marker. As you can tell, it has completely different origins from European R.

The only ‘Mediterraneans’ that Georgians resemble are those Mediterraneans who have Middle Eastern blood. Many of those same ‘Mediterraneans’ also resemble latin american mestizos and castizos. It is not a natural phenotype, it is a mixed phenotype.
Even then, the bulk of Mediterraneans (majority of Spaniards,Portuguese, Northern Italians,etc) will still look more European than Georgians.

Greeks, Albanians and Sicilians have well-established middle eastern admixture. I would put them on par with Northern Caucasians like Chechens, maybe.

Overall, Southern Caucasians/Georgians look more asiatic and similar to Turkish/Armenian/Iranian people. Look at Erdogan, he is of Georgian laz descent. He does not look European.

February 25, 2013 at 12:36 am
(436) Javid says:

Well, geographically they are in Asia(doubtless) but politically they are ‘Europeans’. some ppl here say Azerbaijanis are muslims so they should be be considered Asians , btch plzz! Turkey is also an Islamic county so wtf r u talking about? Turkey is in Asia and Armenia and Georgia are in Europe just because of their religions. hahah armenians why r u so idiot? what is the problem of being asian? Being asian is a way better than being CHILDKILLER and then being called ‘european’. Having an asshole country like armenia in the region Caucasus is never gonna be called Europe! be sure #JusticeFor #Khojaly

March 21, 2013 at 7:19 pm
(437) Liang1ahost says:

Some had commented that it is a disgrace to be considered Asian. The current backward state of Asia may very well change in the coming decades. As China’s wealth and technologies rise it will overtake Europe by a large margin. China will achieve a $100 trillion economy which will be 7 times bigger than the US and 3 times bigger than the US and EU economies combined. Than maybe we don’t want these European countries in Asia. And as other Asian economies and technologies also rise, the total Asian economies will ultimately be 6 times as big as US and EU economies combined. But this is not a fantasy. This is just returning to the historical norm. Europe, enjoy your superiority while it lasts. It may not last too long.

April 7, 2013 at 8:03 pm
(438) Khalil says:

This argument is so stupid. You could go on and on about the South Caucasus’ cultural history which includes the domination of both European and Asian powers over the region. Some of these include Rome, Byzantium, Seljuqs, Mongols, Safavids, and Ottomans. You could go on and on about linguistics, culture, religion, genetics, and racial appearances. However the fact is this, Russian domination of the region for the past couple of centuries has shaped the South Caucasus in such a way that its people will forever consider themselves a part of Europe (aka Westernization). European integration is key to these countries because it will open doors not possible to them if they remained outside of Europe. Such benefits include greater security, stability, and massive economic growth. I see the Asian argument, however Southern Caucasian countries have made their priorities very clear. Their future lies with Europe.

If Russia had not dominated the region, who knows how things would have turned out. You could certainly group them with the Greater Middle East due to a shared history, culture, and geographic location. As I said though, these people consider themselves to be politically aligned with Europe and are moving towards European integration.

To answer the main question, geographically these countries are Asia as the majority of their territory falls below the Caucasus Mountains. However with further European integration and increased Westernization of these countries, that geographic boundary may change very soon.

April 12, 2013 at 4:17 pm
(439) True story says:

It seems as if the person above me (Vartan Mamigonian)is speaking from the perspective of an Armenian. The reason why the so called “Armenian Genocide” is not accepted by the world is because it never happened.

April 13, 2013 at 5:16 pm
(440) gajan says:

dont brake your heads into walls dear friends,if no turk-seljuks ARMENIANS WOULD BE euoropians since the ancient times when they were dealing with ROMANS and Greeks/vizantici/what are you talking about now,its not our foult that turks occupied all the reagion and made it a muslim reagion if there were not them well bee together next to italy and greece and will be conceadred as euoropeans and we really are,whatever you say and think,we are more ancient and more advanced than most of other countries and we dont wait for smby to say about us who we are i live in euorope and i cant say that it is more better than asia but now everywhere is mixed and yuo cant defined real euoropean or asian cuiture everything is mixed both cultures have good and bad things and be whoever you are continiue your nations traditions and live friendly with other people

April 27, 2013 at 2:04 am
(441) Guest24 says:

Hey there, I was just googling something about the Caucasian countries and this debate came up. I read some of the posts and it made me laugh a lot. This is funny. I come from Georgia and I think it is a very Russian country. We are white mainly and Christians but that is not the main distinctive priority to place Georgia itself in Europe or Asia. Nothing wrong with either though. The fact is, it has been a part of the USSR for many years and now that it’s not anymore who knows what it is going to be. (if anyone cares). I have been to Baku, Azerbaijan too and it is far more developed and economically stable than Georgia. The majority of the people were white. I wouldn’t consider it being specifically in Asia or Europe. I think the traditions looked very similar to Turkish. (maybe I’m wrong cause I was there only a week).
As for Armenia, I haven’t been and I don’t know what it looks like.

In the end, I do think these three totally different countries go under the same definition: Caucasian

May 1, 2013 at 1:00 pm
(442) Mark says:

Armenians were never considered europeans. Not once in their entire history. Not even a single part of Armenia is geographically located within Europe. Being colonized by romans/greeks is nothing to be proud of. That’s why all your neighbors look down on you as cowards. Armenians and Caucasus people (including the WHITEST caucasians, MUSLIM Chechens), in general, are genetically closer to Iranians.

Also, Turks/Anatolians are WHITER than Armenians. Turkey was never considered to be in europe either. It was always known as ‘Asia Minor’.

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