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Scotland Is Not a Country

By July 5, 2004

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I regularly receive email complaining that Scotland is not on my list of the 193 countries of the world. I write back, telling the mis-informed individual why Scotland is not a country. Now, I've put together a nice article to serve as my final answer that Scotland is Not a Country! Interestingly, I never receive email from people in England, Northern Ireland, or Wales complaining.

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May 20, 2008 at 10:04 am
(1) Anonymous says:

http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page823.asp

“The United Kingdom is made up of four countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Its full name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Great Britain, however, comprises only England, Scotland and Wales. Great Britain is the largest island of the British Isles. Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic form the second largest island.

The UK is just under 1,000 km long from the south coast of England to the extreme north of Scotland, and is 500 km across at its widest point. It shares a single land border with the Irish Republic. Despite its relatively small size the UK boasts incredibly varied and often very beautiful scenery.

The Isle of Man and the Channel Islands are not part of the United Kingdom. They are largely self-governing with their own legislative assemblies and systems of law. But the British Government is responsible for their defence and international relations.”

March 27, 2011 at 6:55 pm
(2) Malkyalba says:

Scotland is a country which has a rich history and its own culture wich is unique, we are very different from england we where only united in the act of union to support wealthy land owners and because the english did not want the Scots to form the Auld Alliance with France they did this to protect themselves. Not one Scottish member of the public voted for the act of union so this is why we are very much still a country and if we where independent we would be one of the richest in europe due to our oil which we send 500 billion a year to england and get hardly anything back..

November 22, 2011 at 12:31 pm
(3) andre says:

Scotland is most definitely a country. it is in facta very old country and if you’d even bothered to do some research for your frankly misguided and inaccurate statement. The Isle of man most certainly is part of the united kindgom. Also the man responsible for the union of great britain king james VI was the King of Scotland before he became king of England . I’ve seen some imflamatory and frankly false statements on the web but this is some quality crap your talking. Scotland has a completely independent legal system and educational system from the rest of the uk ( Some laws do cover all nations ) Scotland also has its own language, Scots Gaelic though it is less widely spoken than say, Welsh in Wales. 2 words to some up Utter Garbage

August 20, 2008 at 4:59 pm
(4) Janis Warren says:

Scotland IS a country. I was born and raised there. Yes, it is part of Great Britain but it is a country which is attached to England and Wales, just as France, Germany, Spain and other countries are attached.

February 26, 2011 at 9:09 am
(5) bob says:

Have you read the article you commented on?? It clearly states and explains why scotland is NOT a country.

May 3, 2011 at 9:16 pm
(6) Liam says:

Well your article is clearly right, even though there are millions of people, all over the world, who would disagree.

Scotland is a country, not independent, but that does not mean it is not a country. Infact, if the consrevatives never took away scotlands mines and works etc…

Scotland would be one, if not, the most wealthy country in europe. Scotland is not independent becuase their economy has been badly struck my ill minded leaders.

And if it wasnt for scotland, the world would not have some of the inventions we have today. Television, telephone, the steam engine, gas lighting, the modern tyre and the radar.

Scotland might not be independent or large, but it has contributed so much knowledge and power which shapes the human race today.

In conclusion, scotland may not be “classed” as a country by some “people”, but it is seen as a symbol of great human knowledge and history.

And, might I add, if scotland never helped in WW1. They would be 100% independent because scotland lost a massive amount of its population during that time.

March 18, 2009 at 10:02 pm
(7) 123Triad says:

Scotland is a country and part of UK !

March 25, 2009 at 2:07 pm
(8) Porque no says:

The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland comprise the island of Ireland, correct. However they are not in the British Isles. This is a term which is incredibly offesnive, and was only ever used to justify British dominance of Ireland.

As a term it is not recognised or used by any governments, international organisations, geographers, historians, etc.

The official term used for the islands located off the north western coast of Europe is the North Altantic Archpelego.

March 25, 2009 at 9:36 pm
(9) sarah says:

I am extremly confused. The man that wrote this article claims scotland IS a country, but two others claim it is NOT. I think that I agree with the two other people though. Janis and 123Triad, thank you YOU should be writing the article!!!!!

March 25, 2009 at 9:38 pm
(10) horselover says:

I agree with Janis And 123Traid thank you two very MUCH!!!!!!!!!

March 29, 2009 at 10:32 pm
(11) Mark says:

Hi Matt

We’ve discussed this before, but I think your readers should know that your definition of a country is only one opinion, an opinion that is not shared by many people in other countries.

The definition and criteria that you give for a “country” are really the definition of something else, namely, a sovereign “state” under international law. This is also known as “Westphalian sovereignty”, so-called because the modern concept of a state, with the criteria you list, derives from the Peace of Westphalia of 1648, which ended the Thirty Years’ War.

Now, it is true that people often use the word “country” when they mean “sovereign state in international law in the Westphalian sense”. This makes sense. For one thing, it is a lot shorter. “Country” is the convenient, short English word for this concept in everyday speech. For example, a TV report of an international summit would refer to the “countries” that were represented. The context makes it clear the reporter is talking about “countries” in the sense of nation states.

But, in the English language, the word “country” has other meanings in other contexts. A traveller who is asked what countries he visited on his European trip might answer: “I went to Scotland, Germany and Denmark”. And that would also be right. The United Kingdom Government says that, officially, the UK comprises four countries. That is also correct usage. And if, after reading this, you decide you need a break by taking a walk in the country, then that is also correct English.

The fact is, in English, some words have more than one meaning. The technical grammatical term for this feature is “polysemy”, which comes from Latin for “many meanings”.

A moment’s thought will give you many examples of words with polysemy — words that have more than one meaning depending on context. A listener or reader can usually easily tell from the context which meaning of a word is the one intended.

“Animal” is one such word. If a biologist was asked to classify living things into plant and animal life, then “plant” would include grass and trees and “animal” would include fish, birds, reptiles and all mammals. But if you asked the average person in the street to name some “animals”, they might mention cows, cats and dogs, but would not think of fish or birds, or humans, as “animals” in that context. This is because the word “animal” has a range of technical and common meanings depending on context.

“State” is another word with several meanings. State generally means a sovereign state in the Westphalian sense, such as the USA or the United Kingdom. However, in some countries, the word “state” is used for subnational units of the federation, such as the states of the USA, Brazil, Mexico and Australia. These are not “states” in the strict sense of a sovereign entity in international law. But when someone mentions the “State of California”, everyone understands that the speaker does not mean California is a “state” in the international law sense.

It is the same with “country”. Officially, the United Kingdom consists of four countries: Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland. They are legally and officially countries within the UK, just as California is legally and officially a
“state” of the USA.

True, Scotland is not currently a state in the Westphalian sense, because it does not meet the sovereignty criteria listed in your article. But that is not in issue. The point is, Scotland is, and always has been a country.

You telling me that Scotland is not a “country” would be like me telling you that California is not a “state”. That is what they are called by the people who live in them, that is how they are known by their neighbours, and that is their official legal designation by their governments. If you like, you can try to tell people that they should use the word “country” in your way, and your way only. But, at the end of the day, they don’t.

There are many examples in history of countries existing as part of larger sovereign states.

Prior to the break-up of the former USSR, the Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, Latvia and many others were historical and geographic countries existing within the one sovereign state of the USSR.

It was the same with Serbia, Croatia, Macedonia and Slovenia within the former Yugoslavia. The United Nations even now recognises the “Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia”, though the Greeks dispute whether it was ever a country in either sense.

Another good example comes from the history of the former British Empire. Until their independence from the British Empire last century, Australia, Canada, India and New Zealand were – for the purposes of international law – part of that Empire and not sovereign states in their own right. Their emergence as separate states in international diplomacy after the First World War was resisted by some countries, especially the USA, leading to several diplomatic tussles. For example, in the 1920s, the USA refused to treat directly with Australia but would deal only through the “Imperial Government” in London, which was the only government in the Empire that the USA recognised as representing a sovereign state. Even though Australia had its own seat at the League of Nations, the Harding administration refused to deal directly with Australia in the negotiations leading up to the Washington Naval Treaty.

But I suspect the average American of 1922 would have thought you a little odd if you told them that, according to your definition, a country is only a country if it is a sovereign state, and therefore Canada and Australia and India were not “countries”. Whether or not they were sovereign states at that time, they have always been called “countries”. India is one of the oldest in the world. It may have lost its sovereignty for a time, but it never ceased being a country.

So it is with Scotland and England and Wales today. They may have merged their sovereignties for the purposes of international diplomacy, but they remain historical and geographical countries in their own right. As an aside, the Scottish and English Parliaments merged the sovereignties of the two countries by their Acts of Union of 1707. Some people argue that those Acts reserve to Scotland the right to leave the Union and become again a separate sovereign state if it chooses.

To sum up, you have chosen to use “country” as meaning only a sovereign state in international law. That is one meaning of the word but not the only one. It confuses people to pretend that it is the only meaning. Your readers need to know that it has other meanings in common use, especially outside America.

I agree that Scotland is not currently a sovereign state. It does not meet the criteria of a sovereign state, which you listed. But that is beside the point.

The simple fact is this, and there is no denying it. In the way in which the word “country” is used in Scotland and in the United Kingdom, and as that word is commonly understood by many if not most people elsewhere — Scotland is historically, officially and geographically a country.

Thanks for the opportunity to debate.

Regards,

Mark

July 13, 2011 at 8:06 am
(12) Shannon says:

Mark, your answer was amazing. Extremely helpful. Thank you so much for the time you spent in sharing the well-explained details to us.

-s

April 1, 2009 at 3:51 pm
(13) AC says:

Actually, if you go to the official site of Scotland, even they admit they are not a country.
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/vli/publicInfo/faq/category2.htm
So read it and weep, people.

April 1, 2009 at 9:37 pm
(14) Mark says:

On the contrary, AC, that site says (and I quote):
“it is common usage nowadays to describe the four constituent parts of the UK (Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland) as “countries”.”

May 5, 2009 at 11:52 am
(15) Quizmasterchris says:

But Mark …

The author of the article never claimed that California is a “state” in the sense that France is, so your argument is a big ol’ paper tiger.

Clearly in a list of “countries” where the word means independent state, Scotland doesn’t belong. That is preciusely the usage the author is using and completely consistent.

I think people have trouble getting over this because some part of the brain refuses to believe that a well-known group of European (largely) English-speaking people can still be colonized in 2009.

Scotland is as much a “country” as the Basque region, Tibet, Quebec and Kurdistan… that is to say not at all.

This issue came up in a pub quiz of mine and the arguments I’ve heard for Scotland being a country in the common use of the word have all been maddenlingly evasive.

If it makes anyone with Celtic leanings feel better, “England” isn’t a country either.

- Chris

May 19, 2009 at 6:46 pm
(16) Scotland911 says:

What a bunch of ignorant missinformed people you are,Stating Scotland is not a country and why dont we put Wales,England,NIreland into that categorie.
what medicine are you people on.
Scotland has and always will be a country as is Wales,England and N/Ireland all have different cultures ,borders etc.
When it comes to the common wealth games which will be held in Scotland on 2012 by the way.
Scotland is recognised as is all the other countrys that make up the UK
The UK is unique to anywhere else in the world …..
Whats the bets you lot are from the USA most of you people are descendant from English/Scottish/Irish and Welsh people.

You probably dont no it but the song that is sung on New year {Auld Lang Syne} probably by most of us here was made by Robert Burns who
was Scottish poet from Scotland.
61% of American Presidents are of Scots or Scots-Irish descent.

[Your statment Scotland isnt a country] is an absolute joke the people of this country has brought many things Inventions to the world for that matter.
As a Scottish person your thinking is very flawed and damn wright offensive go and take some more medication.
While your at it educate yourselfs on the history of Scotland you idiotic people.

November 24, 2011 at 4:30 pm
(17) Babbyyy Shaniquea says:

I disagree.

May 20, 2009 at 1:10 am
(18) marcus says:

I am a Scot and proud of it.Our country is seperate to England by a border which is called Hadrians Wall.We recognize all countries large and small.Our country was unified with England,Wales,Ulster because of Scottish politicians accepting bribes from their English counteparts.Our Country has suffered in the name of religion and the Monarchy thats in place now is only recognized by the Scots who prefer to be in the United Kingdom. We are seperate from England,Wales,Ulster because of our culture.Scottish people are descendants from Picts,Gaels,Scots and Vikings.We will oneday become independent from Londons control.The only way to find out for yourself is to visit Scotland and to learn its romantic history and take in its beautiful scenery

May 24, 2009 at 10:49 am
(19) Scot says:

Scotland is a country that was taken over a long time ago by the english, and now has similar rights as the nations do in the usa. Why do you think you speak english and not scottish/scots? We became part of great britain. Scotland, England and Wales, yes- all of us, do NOT have the same rights as other individual countries, such as france and germany, as an example. So much confusion! We are therefore not recognised as ‘real’ countries. We should be happy that our country of Great Britain is indeed great, allowing freedom of speech amongst many other choices that some other countries refuse to give their residents. Surely the most obvious proof of this is that we actually have a SCOTTISH PRIME MINISTER. lol. So, to all nationalist or indeed racist scots, wake up. We work far better together. We are far too small to become independant. The same goes for england and wales! Scotland is a country, but only in name and history. As far as everything else goes, we are one. As to all the nutjobs waving the scottish flags and thinking we need to become totally independant, all i can say is WAKE UP. You are just as bad as the nutjobs waving the royal flag. LOL! Even prince charles would agree.

May 25, 2009 at 1:09 pm
(20) james says:

whats this shit all about ? of course scotland is a country, and a proud one. just cause we’re attached to england doesnt mean we’re part of tose bastards, or just cause we are part of great britain doesnt mean we can’t be classed as a country ? clearly this man hasnt got a rats ars what hes on about haha

May 25, 2009 at 4:56 pm
(21) james b says:

matt, you are a sad, sad man

May 27, 2009 at 1:31 am
(22) Michael Weston says:

“The author of the article never claimed that California is a “state” in the sense that France is, so your argument is a big ol’ paper tiger.”

Quizmasterchris is either misunderstanding or deliberately misrepresenting Mark’s point. What he actually said was:

“You telling me that Scotland is not a “country” would be like me telling you that California is not a “state”. That is what they are called by the people who live in them, that is how they are known by their neighbours, and that is their official legal designation by their governments. If you like, you can try to tell people that they should use the word “country” in your way, and your way only. But, at the end of the day, they don’t.”

Mark’s point was that Matt himself acknowledges that there can be more than one definition for a word. His own list has two definitions for “state,” one capitalised, one not. Furthermore, Matt immediately changes his terminology to “States and Independent Countries.” Scotland’s relationship to the UK is similar to that of California’s to the US, though Scotland has far more autonomy than any American state. So much for your paper tiger. It’s so much easier to refute a point when you just make something up and refute that instead.

A colony? That’s just idiotic. Mark is right. You’re wrong.

May 27, 2009 at 5:35 am
(23) LV says:

Quizmasterchris is a berk. a quick read at http://www.quizmasterchris.com shows that those, ah, \”evasive\” arguments kick the quizmaster\’s arse with documents and reference books! The quizmaster\’s rebuttal is little more than a tantrum. Everyone is wrong but himself and Matt and his proof is…….ah….er…..he went to university. One poor bloke apologised for causing offence, demonstrated in a rather lengthy display of incoherent spluttering rage, which the quizman accepted with astonishing ill grace. Apparently the OED is unqualified to define the words of the English language! Of course he knows best. He hosts a pub quiz!
Who cares what a knowitall American thinks?

May 28, 2009 at 8:04 am
(24) Thr says:

QUOTE [I regularly receive email complaining that Scotland is not on my list]
Well add it as your wrong there should be ,I will actualy do it for as you dont seem clued up on the UK or whatever you silly people want to call it,United Kingdom ,Great Britain………….

Scotland – Edinburgh
England – London
Wales – Cardiff
Nothern/Ireland – Belfast

Another QUOTE I write back, telling the mis-informed individual why Scotland is not a country]
NO you are the misinformed………

QUOTE Interestingly, I never receive email from people in England, Northern Ireland, or Wales complaining]
Thats because you have your Title as
Scotland Is Not a Country why not rename your title as Scotland,England,Wales,Nireland is not a country .
Do you have something against Scotland ?

And to Quizmasterchris lol at you QuoteThis is where my poli sci degree actually comes in handy ]
Even with your degree your still stupid by what your saying in your article and the spelling lol come over to Scotland and do your quiz see how you get on silly people.

May 28, 2009 at 8:06 am
(25) LIGHTBRIGADE says:

QUOTE [I regularly receive email complaining that Scotland is not on my list]
Well add it as your wrong there should be ,I will actualy do it for as you dont seem clued up on the UK or whatever you silly people want to call it,United Kingdom ,Great Britain………….

Scotland – Edinburgh
England – London
Wales – Cardiff
Nothern/Ireland – Belfast

Another QUOTE I write back, telling the mis-informed individual why Scotland is not a country]
NO you are the misinformed………

QUOTE Interestingly, I never receive email from people in England, Northern Ireland, or Wales complaining]
Thats because you have your Title as
Scotland Is Not a Country why not rename your title as Scotland,England,Wales,Nireland is not a country .
Do you have something against Scotland ?

And to Quizmasterchris lol at you QuoteThis is where my poli sci degree actually comes in handy ]
Even with your degree your still stupid by what your saying in your article and the spelling lol come over to Scotland and do your quiz see how you get on silly people.

May 28, 2009 at 3:28 pm
(26) derek says:

AC, on the website you are referring to (http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/vli/publicInfo/faq/category2.htm) where EXACTLY do THEY admit that Scotland is not a country? Allow me to reproduce the EXACT text…
Is Scotland a country?
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is the full name of the country. Scotland is a kingdom within the United Kingdom (UK), and forms part of Britain (the largest island) and Great Britain (which includes the Scottish islands).
As the UK has no written constitution in the usual sense, constitutional terminology is fraught with difficulties of interpretation and it is common usage nowadays to describe the four constituent parts of the UK (Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland) as “countries”.

May 30, 2009 at 5:40 pm
(27) andré says:

German as I am I never understood the makeup of the countries of the islander. Federal in sports (only some!!) and name but French like centralist about administration. Is not the English parliament in London ruling all other “states” such as Scotland, is it? Is it true that the UK thing has not even a written constitution? I remember a boy stating with pride filled lungs that he was a Scotsman. Germans are, if at all, proud to be German, not Westphalian or Saxon. But it is not so that our states would not matter, e.g. nobody likes Bavarians :)
I mean Germany is way easier to understand, listen: 13 prime ministers plus 3 governing mayors, a chancellor, a president and an abundance of parliaments… see?!

June 1, 2009 at 5:21 pm
(28) Marcus says:

The only way to reinstate that Scotland is its own country is to go a long way back in time.The exact date 1320,the occasion -the declaration of Arbroath.Scotland is recognized as a seperate country by the Pope “so that Scotland could live,work and trade in peace”.As for being taken over by the English that is wrong.What did take over Scotland was religion and that had a lot to do with the Stuart dynasty.I am not anti-english but am proud of the country i was born in and raised.We should have every right to wave our flags as other countries wave theirs….for a wee bit hill and glen

June 8, 2009 at 8:10 am
(29) Razvan says:

Yes rigt, Scotland is not a country because a administrative region which make part from UK and the official name is United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland ,also Wales is one of the country under the UK administration…Thank you

June 8, 2009 at 8:04 pm
(30) marcus says:

To all the people who think Scotland isnt her own country…..UP YER KILT and I hope you get bitten by a thousand midgies.You soon will be running out of SCOTLAND!no thank-you sir

June 18, 2009 at 4:54 am
(31) Ensign Jones says:

The UK is a state made of four COUNTRIES. This article is offensive.

July 2, 2009 at 7:14 am
(32) Scott says:

people who find this offensive are the same idiots who write in to points of view to complain that some tv show used a nasty word and offended them. Who cares if some says where your from is not a country or not. Point is internationally scotland, england wales, and Northern ireland, are not countries techincally or politically. Its very much a heritage thing to call them countries, whilst they are known as countries they do not have the same rights as other countries such as france. That was the authors point. Problem was in the title but i believe this was a response to someone claiming scotland is a country. He does state in his article that the same applies to england wales and N ireland. I am half scottish and spend a lot of time in scotland with my scottish family. I can safeley say that scots would be alot more offenended by this than the english would if it was the other way around. seriously it doesnt matter call it what you want, and we will call it what we want. I claim UK is the country. I call my self Brittish and I will even say the country I live in is no a country. That is england.

July 5, 2009 at 6:15 pm
(33) Jim says:

Scotland is a country. And this article is offensive.

July 20, 2009 at 4:33 am
(34) jon says:

hi, yes Scotland is a country. there are four countries that make up the United Kingdom. that’s kind of why its called united as all the COUNTRIES are united into one larger one.
what would you call it then if its not a county? it couldn’t be classed as a principality as its head of state doesn’t have the title of prince or princess. the head of state is the queen and it has always had a king or queen. so it is a country

i am Scottish and i live in England, which i have most my life. and you are the first person i have heard saying that.

if you say Scotland isn’t a country. England isn’t then either because that’s in the united kingdom.
Alba gu bràth :)

July 20, 2009 at 3:02 pm
(35) Rob says:

matt, of course Scotland is a country. you are clearly just another ignorant american. at least know what your writing about before you go ahead and do it ;) bastard.

August 9, 2009 at 3:21 pm
(36) Samuel Prescott says:

it has its own soccer team right? ok. its a country.

August 9, 2009 at 4:12 pm
(37) Longshanks says:

FREEEEEEDOOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

August 13, 2009 at 9:35 pm
(38) wallace says:

Scotland is indepentent and was till the english s came in and took them over. Matt, your a dumbass, and scott is a moron. SCOTLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

April 13, 2011 at 4:04 am
(39) claire says:

Hum wasnt Scotland united with England through monarchy? as in the same person was in line for the throne for both countries? James VI(who became James I of England and Ireland?)

August 19, 2009 at 6:38 pm
(40) Eva says:

For all the people listed above ranting about others being ignorant, please at least learn the difference between your and you’re. That way you look less foolish.

See:
http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson8.html

August 21, 2009 at 11:14 pm
(41) Stephen says:

Of course Scotland is a country retard. I have a British passport and my sister has a Scottish passport. Countries have their own passports. You don’t get a California passport dumbass.

August 26, 2009 at 6:24 pm
(42) Bob Sacamano says:

Wow just shut up Scotland is 100% not a country. I don’t care how much you want it to be a country it’s not! THE UNITED KINGDOM IS THOUGH. Scotland is no longer a sovereign nation sorry get yourself a clue. and by the way Matt there are 195 countries in the world that meet the appropriate criteria.

August 26, 2009 at 6:25 pm
(43) Bob Sacamano says:

@ Mark: You’re completely incorrect it used to be a country and it isn’t anymore sorry get over it.

August 26, 2009 at 6:33 pm
(44) Bob Sacamano says:

Oh and common usage doesn’t make it acceptable it’s just people saying things that are wrong. For anyone to say that Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and England are the four countries of the United Kingdom is wrong. They are more like provinces or states of the United Kingdom because that is what they act like. They do not by completely act as independent countries do. However, the United Kingdom does.

August 26, 2009 at 6:36 pm
(45) Bob Sacamano says:

The word by should not be at the end of my last comment it was a typo

August 27, 2009 at 4:53 pm
(46) kenny mcdougall says:

oooh Matt Rosenberg, if you are the writer of this blog you have made a mistake my friend by saying that Scotland is not a country

Eat humble pie now before more people prove you wrong…..

You seem to think that the definition of a ‘country’ is that it must be independent with its own sovereignty

If this is your criteria then read on as the following nations would no longer be countries>>>

Australia

as Australia is NOT a sovereign Country of the world, it is part of the British commonwealth and is not independent and the Queen is head of state, her head appears on the money and she can over rule their parliaments decisions (although seldom used)

They have a parliament as Scotland does and a Prime Minister as Scotland does

Canada

as with Australia this is not a sovereign country as it has the queen as head of state and no president and the queens head is on their money and they have a prime minister

New Zealand as above

Shall I go on??? As I can name 36 other nations of this earth in these categories

Of course Australia, Canada, New Zeeland and Scotland are countries in their own rights and lovely countries they are too…

Just imagine the USA a new nation when it was under British Rule and part of the empire/commonwealth was the USA not a country back then of course it was!!
It was just not a sovereign country until it took its complete independence, then it joined those countries which are the sovereign nations of the world

But there are many many countries which are not sovereign nor fully independent but nevertheless are still countries

HISTORY

in the year of our LORD 1706 the act of union TREATY was signed this was a document which can be found in London Tower and in Arbroath Scotland, this claimed that the 2 sovereign countries of SCOTLAND and ENGLAND shall remain countries with their own legal system, educational systems moneys (as Scotland has its own money with no queens head on it but Scottish historical figures appear on Scottish bank notes)

And these 2 new countries would be referred to as ”CONSTITUTIONAL COUNTRIES OF THE NEW ISLAND OF BRITAIN”

With their voices being represented internationally in matter such as defence and foreign affairs under the United Kingdom

Wales was later annexed into the UK ‘set up’ by the English

Ireland as a whole island was in too, until the early part of the 20th century until the south became sovereign again but the north never left the uk AS of political and religious differences were argued at that time and the province of ULSTER stayed in the uk whilst the rest of Ireland became a sovereign land this became known later as Northern Ireland

So think of the UK like a mini European Union(EU) with member countries

One day the EU will be a super state made up of member countries with their own sovereignties compromised for the larger European Union set up

But I bet you will have under EU in your country list a sub menu asking for member country of registering persons? E.g. Netherlands Germany etc…

The official members of the UK as today stands are

THE CONSTITUTIONAL COUNTRY OF SCOTLAND

THE CONSTITUTIONAL COUNTRY OF ENGLAND

THE PRINCIPALITY OF WALES

THE PROVENCE OF IRELAND KNOWN AS ULSTER

If you say Scotland or England are not countries after this then people should laugh at you, as your history is poor

2 final points

just like Irish Republic did , Scotland is forecasted to take back her complete sovereignty within 10 to 20 years, as in 1999 the Scottish people voted to have their Parliament back (in a referendum) after 300 years of it being dissolved £450million was spent on building this Parliament which has been housing the Scottish Government re-established with most of its former powers back for over a decade

And in 2010 a bill is being raised in the Scots parliament to take this vote to the Scots citizens for all of the rest of their powers back (hence sovereignty again just like Ireland did in the early 20th century)

Whether Scotland does leave the union or not will only change her country status to one of sovereign or not

Finally how did we get the GREAT in Great Britain???

Well this goes back to Roman days

When the countries were known as

Scotland (Caledonia)

Ireland (Hibernia)

England was split into many fragmented kingdoms such as Wessex and Anglia for example and Wales (Gallia) but collectively England and Wales were known as BRITANNICA named after a roman senators wife

Scotland and Ireland were not part of this BRITANNICA at that time and were separate as Caledonia and Hibernia

England and Wales stayed known collectively as Britons all the way up till 1707 when this union treaty of these countries was signed

Geographically Scotland’s Inclusion could not be called part of Britain which historically was only England and Wales
so they called it Greater Britain
like Greater New York or Greater London to take in areas GEOGRAPHICALLY OUT WITH THE OFFICIAL BOUNDARIES

AND THIS ‘GREATER’ SIZED NEW VERSION OF THE EXISTING AND ANCIENT BRITAIN WAS SHORTENED TO

‘GREAT BRITAIN’ IN TIME

Scotland has been a Country for around 2000years or more roughly how many other countries on earth today can say this and how dare anyone deny them there right to exist as a country

Scotland also has the oldest NATIONAL flag of any recognized Country on Earth today the Saltire (St.Andrews Cross) this was made the oldest when China ditched their ancient flag in favour of the new red communist flag that China has today

I hope this was a sensible read lol

all the best

Kenny
History Dept

August 27, 2009 at 5:58 pm
(47) 616 says:

Constituent countries are not the same as independent countries. Wales, Scotland, England, and Northern Ireland are not officially recognized as sovereign nations of the world.
http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/countries_of_the_world.htm

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_of_the_world

here are some not so sovereign nations:
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/List_of_not_fully_sovereign_nations

The only thing you did was write a lot of useless paragraphs that contained some factual and some nonfactual information and ultimately your main argument is incorrect. Today they are just the four constituent countries (they act more as provinces or states not as actual countries would therefore they shouldn’t ever be referred to as countries it is incorrect to do so) that form the sovereign country of the United Kingdom.

Thank you everyone you’ve all been great.

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August 27, 2009 at 6:00 pm
(48) 616 says:

Constituent countries are not the same as independent countries. Wales, Scotland, England, and Northern Ireland are not officially recognized as sovereign nations of the world.

The only thing you did was write a lot of useless paragraphs that contained some factual and some nonfactual information and ultimately your main argument is incorrect. Today they are just the four constituent countries (they act more as provinces or states not as actual countries would therefore they shouldn’t ever be referred to as countries it is incorrect to do so) that form the sovereign country of the United Kingdom.

Thank you everyone you’ve all been great.

Your message was owned by Willis Parns Inc. shutting down morons daily since 1889.

August 27, 2009 at 6:01 pm
(49) 616 says:

see:

and:

and:

August 27, 2009 at 6:03 pm
(50) 616 says:

my links aren’t showing up go to any search engine and you can find at least three different lists of sovereign nations that all say the same thing and that Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England aren’t sovereign countries.

August 27, 2009 at 6:08 pm
(51) 616 says:

None of what i wrote is my opinion they are just facts that are not disputable.

August 27, 2009 at 8:07 pm
(52) 616 says:

Oh and one other thing Scotland has no intentions of becoming a sovereign country and if you aren’t sovereign then you aren’t really a country. They can be compared to the status of states in the USA. Individual states are not countries and neither are the 4 constituent parts to the UK.

August 29, 2009 at 4:32 am
(53) kenny says:

In short reply this time

Your link listed regions within a country who struggle at times for recognition

Scotland has its own banknotes/currency. Law. Educational system. Economy. Government. First minister. Etc ……..

How many autonomous strugglers have that?

August 29, 2009 at 4:36 am
(54) kenny says:

Please find and go to link for the scottish government

August 29, 2009 at 4:39 am
(55) kenny says:

Please. Find and go to link for. The Scottish Government

August 29, 2009 at 11:44 am
(56) 616 says:

Sorry they aren’t recognized as an independent country anymore end of story not debatable go get a clue.

November 22, 2011 at 12:58 pm
(57) andre says:

So just because the u.n say we’re not a country wer’e not a country. Aye ! good one! what a load of pish ! As for your erroneous comment about the uk parliament being able to veto any decision the scottish parliament makes Bollocks , and it does not have complete power over the scottish parliament what an odious prick you are !

August 29, 2009 at 11:49 am
(58) 616 says:

None of those things matter they are still not considered a country sorry just stop arguing. You’re just incorrect so shut up and move on. They used to be a country and they aren’t anymore it’s not really hard to comprehend. As much as you think they should be an independent country they are not recognized as one it’s a fact that you can look up anywhere.

August 29, 2009 at 11:54 am
(59) 616 says:

Oh and by the way the Parliament of the United Kingdom has complete power over all the political bodies within it. Meaning those political bodies in England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are secondary. Kind of like state governments are secondary to our federal government. OH WAIT AND THE STATES (that aren’t countries by themselves) MAKE UP A LARGER BODY OF LAND THAT IS IN FACT A COUNTRY LIKE THE UNITED STATES. KIND OF LIKE THE UNITED KINGDOM.

August 29, 2009 at 11:55 am
(60) 616 says:

kekekekekeke thx owned gg hf no re

August 29, 2009 at 11:58 am
(61) 616 says:

Oh i know what you’re going to say next but but but Scotland was originally a country and the states were not. Too bad things change.

August 29, 2009 at 12:59 pm
(62) kenny says:

you have several reaql problems 616

firstly your arrogance is unattractive

you seem to think that in order to exist as a country you have to be sovereign or you are not a real country you say

you are so short sighted that you cannot see that there are countries who true, are not soverign but nevertheless are countries

for example i notice that MONACO appears on your list of ”official countries”
it used french money/now euro is describeding itself as a principality and has next to no government
yet this qualifies in this list hahaha

truth is to ALL READERS

ignore this guy 616 he is an idiot

and please understand that there are different levels of being a country sovereign or not!!

scotland is not a soverign country if you stuck by this at first i would have agreed with you but you went full throttle and said scotland is not a country

where the scottish governmnet and British governments both say they are indeed countries

oh

and please stop thinking that the world revolves around the thinking of american people and the concept of american individual states

the governments of both scotland and the UK ‘described scotland and england as countries”

oh, but that was still not good enough for you that reputable countries of the world just have to be wrong in saying this so what do you do you go about redefining this as ‘ well that kinda means states not countries’ like the USA states ermm i mean

whos the dumb ass

you are 616

i am from the west coast of Scotland, born and bred here and still live here

and i can definatley assure you and everyone else that Scotland is a country no matter how many times you want to argue against it

finally readers

i can understand your confusion over thi8s with the UK set up of four countries making up a an island union and where scotland may lay within this

how many of you out there can honestly also say that ENGLAND too is not a country but a region??

i can assure you that England is a country too

and any english readers who read this will not accept anything less

i think 616 we should just ”agree to disagree” and leave it at that and let people make their own minds up eh….

August 29, 2009 at 1:04 pm
(63) kenny says:

typing error

reaql meant as ‘real’

thi8s meant as ‘this’

apologies

August 29, 2009 at 9:56 pm
(64) 616 says:

No sorry just stop you’re an idiot and you’re wrong. England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales are NOT countries at all just look it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it’s not hard to find. They are not countries anymore so just shut the fuck up

August 29, 2009 at 10:00 pm
(65) 616 says:

Nobody should be listening to you all you need to do is just look it up please go do that. Northern Ireland, Scotland, England, and Wales are NOT countries anymore period. That’s it end of story that’s all there is to it. You’re 100% wrong and i feel bad if you actually are from a history department and children actually have to listen to your dribble every day. You need to stay up on your facts because you’re dead wrong about this and anyone can see that you are all they have to do is look it up and see that no countries in the world recognize Scotland as an independent country.

September 4, 2011 at 8:06 pm
(66) Mr. Ward says:

616 you are the idiot you have contradicted yourself, if you truley believe that Scotland ceased to be a country when the kingdoms joined then you can’t say Northern Ireland isn’t a country anymore because Northern Ireland hasn’t existed for a century so couldn’t have been a country (By your screwed up standards) in the first place. Do people call themselves Scots-Americans or U.K-Americans? You assumed England is not a country but something like a state like Texas, ok I’ll play your little game. Does Texas compete with countries in international sporting events? Does Texas have it’s own bank notes and education system, does Texas have a different medical system from the U.S? Is there a church of Texas? Are there Texan last names? No because Texas is a state in a federal republic.

August 29, 2009 at 10:06 pm
(67) 616 says:

Oh and by the way Monaco is an official country and recognized as one by the rest of the world so I’m sorry just stop your ridiculous moronic arguments. I’ve never seen someone so wrong think that they are so right. I GUESS IT’S NOT A LIE IF YOU BELIEVE IT RIGHT. LOOK AT ANY LEGITIMATE SOURCE AND IT WILL TELL YOU THAT SCOTLAND IS NOT RECOGNIZED AS A COUNTRY AND MONACO IS. It’s sad these lunatics are working in our educational system.

August 30, 2009 at 12:26 am
(68) 616 says:

Oh nevermind I see you’re from Scotland that makes sense now. You’re obviously too bias to participate in this discussion. You want Scotland to be a country so it is in your mind (EVEN THOUGH IT”S NOT!!!!!!) ahahahaha you dolt.

August 30, 2009 at 3:47 am
(69) kenny says:

Can you agree that a country does NOT need to be independant and soverign?

I see that and so does most people out there

Scotland competes on the world stage at sports such as soccer, rugby,golf, and many others. And is recognised by these well respected governing sports bodies as a country. Albeit not an independant country

Please believe me when I say that they only allow countries to compete at these events. And regions or territories are not allowed

Hence why scotland is there. Recognised as a country. Oh. But according to 616. These people got it wrong too. shame on them

The head of the FEDERATION OF INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL ASSOCIATIONS. FIFA and all the others gladly didn’t attend your history class.

I have never argued that scotland is recognised as an independant country. Because its not

I do know its a country which is not independant. Just like england is a country too. And does any reader put there think that england is a administrive region?????? Or a country. ??? Same with scotland???

So 616

Despite your ramblings. Let the people add comments and decide and contribute to this at their leisure. And as I said before

We will jjust have to agree to disagree

Let it be now

August 30, 2009 at 1:29 pm
(70) 616 says:

Sports have nothing to do with whether you’re a country or not lol. Taiwan competes as well but they aren’t considered an official country they are supposedly part of China. Yes we can agree to disagree I disagree with you and so do the facts good day sir.

August 31, 2009 at 5:36 am
(71) jon says:

the UK is made of four different COUNTRIES that make up one! Alright i live there
so stop banging on about a load of shit you annoying twat.

August 31, 2009 at 10:59 am
(72) yogibear2k2 says:

What about Islands. This claims that there are 193 COUNTRIES, but the UK is NOT a country it is an island, as is Australia. So, this is wrong factually also. Love you know what award Matt Rosenberg got, but I can tell you now it couldn’t of been geography! Perhaps it was just for being an American maybe? They do thnk they know everything about everything when they haven’t a clue about anything.

August 31, 2009 at 2:45 pm
(73) ken says:

final comment to the readers (excluding 616 as I am not speaking to him anymore)

please go (or copy and paste this link into you browser and press go)

to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_(disambiguation)

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland

and

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6739007.stm

(www.news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6739007.stm )

please go to these sites especially wikipedia.com link as there you will see how a respectable and more reputable organisation works

wikipedia has it correct stating that Scotland is a country of europe and forms the top 3rd part of the Island of Great Britain and is a constituent country of the United Kingdom

please visit these links

then ask yourselves this how can still these sites and people get it wrong when a certain individual here states that it is not so

so i am happy that wikipedia have set the record straight and done their job correctly by reporting the correct information on the country of scotland just as i have been saying here and many many others too have been saying

oh

and i am signing out here for the last time ever ! so write what you want as i wont be back to have my nationality insulted time and time again on the rag of a site

I’m off to Wikipedia where they get things right !!!!

and i will urge ALL SCOTS everywhere to ban this site as it is offensive and wrong

so long…………………..

August 31, 2009 at 8:19 pm
(74) 616 says:

You obviously don’t know anything about geography. Islands can be countries there is nothing in the definition of a country that excludes an island from being considered one. You’re an idiot.

September 1, 2009 at 10:41 am
(75) al2x says:

Scotland is a country, it is part of the United Kingdom which is a constitutional monarchy. However it is not a sovereign. In other words its formally administered by the UK government not the Scottish government (which is limited to specific local affairs like US states). Whereas Canada/AUS/NZ for example are also commonwealth realms, however they are dominions meaning generally self-governing territories of the monarch. The PM of Canada would handle domestic relations, and the Governor General (appointed by the Queen) would represent the moanrch in international relations.

September 1, 2009 at 11:31 pm
(76) 616 says:

3 words: Statute of Westminster

September 6, 2009 at 1:40 am
(77) 616 says:

Actually Ken, Wikipedia should only be used as a site to supplement real sites. An example would be if i go to Wikipedia and get information but then i go to a .gov or a .edu site and they have conflicting information with Wikipedia, it’s simple that means Wikipedia is wrong. I’m sure most people realize or at least i hope that they realize that Wikipedia can be edited by anyone and they don’t even need a user name! (which is free anyways). Wikipedia is misinforming you in this case and I’m sure if you continue to use it as your bible it will misinform you many more times in the future. I suggest you try and get your information from real websites instead of a public run website full of half truths and misinformation.

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September 6, 2009 at 1:46 am
(78) 616 says:

Oh and one thing to Jon since he is obviously a moron too. Four “countries” do not make up one country. when four previous countries combine to make a country they cease to be countries. They become the same as provinces or states.

October 18, 2009 at 5:40 pm
(79) Hannah says:

Of course Scotland is a country! I dont know how anyone can say otherwise, dont be so stupid!

Just because it is part of GB doesn’t mean it’s not a country.

I am Scottish and proud! When someone asks my nationality I say “Scottish” not “Brittish”. I am Brittish on paper but I dont consider myself Brittish.

Saying Scotland is not a country is absolutely ridiculous.

We have a capital city ffs, we have our own language, own parliament, own money, own flag ect.

People who say Scotland isn’t a country are pedantic twats.

October 20, 2009 at 4:43 pm
(80) Willis Parns says:

You can still have all of that and you can still have your Scottish pride without being a country. Scotland is not an INDEPENDENT country please read the argument more carefully. There is no argument that can be made otherwise. It is not officially recognized as an independent country by ANY OTHER COUNTRY in the world end of story. It doesn’t mean that you don’t still have your own culture. All it means is exactly what it is, Scotland is not an independent country and the United Kingdom is, get over it. Stop arguing about something that there isn’t two sides to it is not debatable just go look into it the information is available to you everywhere.

October 20, 2009 at 4:44 pm
(81) Willis Parns says:

You can certainly believe whatever you want to however, it doesn’t make you right because you cannot escape the facts.

October 22, 2009 at 7:15 pm
(82) Andy says:

Firstly, I consider myself to be Scottish above British – and I strongly believe in our national identity – BUT I would still agree that Scotland is not strictly speaking a country. National Geographic describes a country as “a political entity with its own independent government, geographical space, and, in most cases, laws, a military, and taxes.” Yes we’ve got some of that, but most of it falls under the balloon of the UK. National Geographic goes on to say “However, political, ethnic, and cultural considerations frequently blur the lines.” So a lot of it is down to semantics. Common usage of the word allows us to refer to ourselves as a country without it being correct in the true sense of the word.

Hannah, just because we’ve got a capital city doesn’t mean we are a country. Every American state has a capital, as does every Australian state/territory.

October 29, 2009 at 5:26 am
(83) Anonymouse says:

For F*ck sake. Scotland’s a f*cken country. I wish the author would just shut the f*ck up.

October 29, 2009 at 9:09 am
(84) D"OHN says:

One quick question:
If Scotland has a referendum and the majority of people vote to break away from The United Kingdom, would it then be a “Country”?

October 29, 2009 at 11:39 pm
(85) Willis Parns says:

First of all whoever anonymous is they’re wrong. To D”OHN that wouldn’t necessarily be called a referendum it would be a secession and Scotland and its inhabitants are not looking to secede from the United Kingdom. First of all it wouldn’t be an easy time doing it and secondly they are better off being part of the UK instead of going independent.

November 4, 2009 at 8:23 am
(86) Bob says:

If Scotland was not a country, then the Union would become void. It was not a Union between regions. It was a Union between the countries of Scotland and England and that still stands.

But Scotland now needs a voice in the European Union – and not in this now out-of-date British Union with England. The laws and power is now in the EU. This isn’t 1707.

Scotland with vast fishing waters and massive natural resources needs its voice to be heard. Vote Yes for independence. It is a must! Any other way and you are now against Scottish interests.

November 5, 2009 at 11:32 pm
(87) Willis Parns says:

No you’re obviously an idiot. There is no call within Scotland to become independent again. Oh and by the way you’re right it was the joining of 4 countries that made up the United Kingdom however once they come together to form one larger country they themselves cease to be countries. It’s common to call them the four countries of the United Kingdom but it is still incorrect. Just because a lot of people refer to it as that does not change the facts. They now serve the same purpose as states or provinces would.

December 16, 2009 at 2:38 pm
(88) DDDDD says:

England and Scotland first had the same monarch in 1603 when King James VI of Scotland succeded Queen Elizabeth I of England to the English throne by hereditary right. His Great Grandaughter Queen Anne became the last Queen of England and Scotland and the first Quenn of Great Britain when the 1707 act of Union was passed in both the scottish and English parliment. Both parliments were combined into one parliment based at London and where united into one, single country called the United Kingdom of Great Britain.

Scotland now has a devolved parliment that was brought in relativley recentley, Scotland is ran a bit like an american state and is not an independent country, not is England.

Im British and I know a lot about English and Scottish History.

December 22, 2009 at 1:33 am
(89) Willis Parns says:

Listen, I love what you just said and I completely agree with it, it’s the same thing I’ve been arguing. However, you don’t need to be British to know that, and quite frankly it’s startling how many British people don’t understand that. I’m proud to say I’m not a Brit and I know more about that situation than most of the people that live there.

December 23, 2009 at 6:18 pm
(90) Anon. says:

Scotland is a country, as is England. Wales and Northern ireland are NOT countries and never have been. Wales was a principality that became part of England long before the act of Union. Northern Ireland was part of the Kingdom of Ireland, which soon became part of the United Kingdom. When Ireland left the Untied Kingdom Northern Ireland deceided to stay. They are all now part of the Sovereign State, the United Kingdom of GB and NI. That is a fact.

December 24, 2009 at 2:55 am
(91) Willis Parns says:

Yes they are all part of the United Kingdom which is an independent country. None of them are countries any longer the United Kingdom is the country and that’s it, that’s the end of the story LOOK IT UP Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

December 24, 2009 at 2:56 am
(92) Willis Parns says:

They are not even close to being independent countries. It is extremely well documented that the UK is accepted as a country worldwide. None of them individually are recognized independent countries. Sorry GGHFNORE just shut up you’re wrong.

January 1, 2010 at 8:50 am
(93) Garmill says:

Let’s put an end to this Scotland IS a country. To say it isn’t is both an insult to it’s people of which I’m one and our history. I suggest the people that think it isn’t check the history books both about the uk and scotland. Get your facts straight before spouting bs about things that you obviously have not researched properly

January 4, 2010 at 1:47 am
(94) WillisParns says:

I have researched it properly and by the way it doesn’t take much research to find out that Scotland is now part of the United Kingdom which is AN INDEPENDENT COUNTRY. You’re just one of a few Scots that are too blind, ignorant, stupid, uninformed, dillusional, or bias to accept the facts. The rest of the world and even Scotland itself does not recognize it as being an independent country so get your head out of your ass and get a clue.

Willis Parns Inc. Owning morons since 1889.

January 9, 2010 at 5:58 am
(95) RJ says:

A Country is a Territory of Land
and is what people feal in there heart,
internationaly the United Kingdom is made up of Four Countries, the United Kingdom itself is not a Country it is a Union State just the same as the United States is not a Country but is a Union State made up of Self Governing States, who came together for the Better Good, so to the Americans look at the Constitution of Tennessee For Example it says ”a free State and Free Government” many times.

a Countries Status Dependents on
the Views of
1. the People
2. The Government

it is true that the Countries of the United Kingdom
are not Independent States theres a Difference between a Sovereign State [or Independent] and a Country.

Internationally the United Kingdom is Reconised as an Independent Sovereign State
and the Countries of the United Kingdom are Reconised as a Part of the United Kingdom and as Countries but not Independent.

but Nationally the United Kingdom is Seen as a Nation-State of Four Countries or Countries within a Country.

so the United States should just keep to there Own Constitution and stop aguing over Our’s
our Constitution may seem Strange but so is the Netherlands and Denmark which Contain more than One Country within there State.

the Countries of the United Kingdom are Home Rule Countries, but not Sovereign, just like Greenland is a Home Rule Country of Denmark.

if the United Kingdom had a Writen Constitution
then yes the Countries probelly would be Classed as Federal States just like the United States, but until that time the Four Are Countries

The Four Are Represented Independentelly in many ways such as in Sports, in the British-Irish Council and some others, and sometimes it is represented as a whole .

the United Kingdom is a Very Strange Union
but it works well sort of,
and is a Lot Like a Mini-Federal European Union

Matt is just trying to make trouble and downplay are way of life and thinking.

i guess you could say im a Ulster Nationalist
insofar as i believe in an Independent Northern Ireland and i believe its as much a Country as Scotland and England, its not a Province its a Country the Same Way that Scotland, or Wales or Even Greenland , or even Netherland Atilies are Countries,

January 10, 2010 at 2:50 am
(96) Willis Parns says:

No you’re entirely wrong and don’t know the facts and by the way you spelled feel wrong..just quit it with the arguing about this. None of those regions are countries anymore they combined into one end of story.

January 10, 2010 at 2:38 pm
(97) john says:

would love to see the guy that wrote this go to Scotland and say it isn’t a country!! make sure you have your hand out to catch your teeth as they fall from your mouth! and to the guy called Marcus that claims he was born and raised here but thinks the border is Hadrian’s wall get a grip and look at a map and stop claiming to be Scottish because you think its cool. Down with the union!!!

January 13, 2010 at 1:16 am
(98) Willis Parns says:

Hey I think you need to get a grip. The United Kingdom exists and it’s an independent country so get used to it. The fact of the matter is Scotland is currently not an independent country and that’s the end of the story. Plenty of Scots are fine with being a part of the United Kingdom and it’s not that big of a deal that it isn’t an independent country anymore. These are the facts and it doesn’t matter what you think or how you feel about it, it’s just the way it is.

GG HF NO RE Willis Parns Inc. Owning idiots since 1889.

January 14, 2010 at 10:32 pm
(99) Tim says:

Wow I am looking up a research paper for child, and I can not believe how long this debate has been going on for. So I will attempt to end this debate once and for all.

Who cares what other people say!! What happened to thinking for ones own self , and making their own decisions. No person who writes a book should dictate how anyone feels. It is good to set some guidlines, but they are not set in stone. Come on evolution, big bang theory…..maybe their correct, but I doubt it for know one was here millions of years ago. By the way do you know the one thing that ruins carbon dating…..salt water…guess what if the world was flooded such as the story of Noah’s Ark then all carbon dating is incorrect. It’s all a guess

I say if in your heart Scotland is a country than to you it is a country let now person tell you it’s not. It is in your heart, and that is all that matters.

The same goes for the reverse.

January 16, 2010 at 12:54 am
(100) Willis Parns says:

By the way carbon dating is not flawed to the point that billions of years turns into thousands just so you know. Regardless of that, There is no argument at all that the United Kingdom is an independent country, The other four regions cease to exist as independent countries and that’s the way it is. You can believe anything you want to in your “heart” but at the end of the day you’re absolutely wrong and that’s the end of the story and it always will be.

January 16, 2010 at 1:10 am
(101) Willis Parns says:

Oh by the way the way again the dating of galaxies, stars and solar systems don’t require carbon dating. Way to focus on one really small speck that means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Yeah Einstein, the milky way galaxy and the stars in it have no bearing on the age of a (6,000 year old earth?) it just popped in out of thin air right? You’re really smart it is just so amazing..

January 19, 2010 at 7:17 pm
(102) Jeffie Freedom says:

Wiki says Scotland is a country.. ergo Scotland is a country

National Statistic UK also lists Scotland as a country http://www.statistics.gov.uk/geography/uk_countries.asp

January 20, 2010 at 12:47 am
(103) Willis Parns says:

By the way the argument is Scotland is not an INDEPENDENT country..and that is a fact. There’s a big difference and by the way wikipedia isn’t a good place to get your facts. Please read what I’ve said one last time INDEPENDENT is the key word. Scotland used to be an independent country, it is not longer however, The INDEPENDENT country is the United Kingdom. Scotland is no longer recognized by any other country in the world as being an independent country.

January 20, 2010 at 12:50 am
(104) Willis Parns says:

This cannot be disputed at all if you disagree you’re simply wrong, it’s a fact that Scotland does not function as an independent country.

January 28, 2010 at 7:39 am
(105) Cons says:

Dear Scottish people:

You are living in the past, quit living in the past. You handed your country rights to the United Kingdom.

Until you have a Scottish embassy, Foreign Minister and Sovereign Army, you are not a country. Deal with it.

Other countries have done better in dealing with this. For instance, Bavaria in Germany was once a country, but is not so delusional as to think they are still one, they are part of Germany, which is a country.

You are not a sovereign country. You need to accept that, it is just sad watching you claim that you are, it is embarrassing to watch.

January 29, 2010 at 9:09 am
(106) Yeti says:

To all people claiming Scotland is a country: Do you consider Bavaria and Saxony to be countries? Today they are first order divisions of Germany, but less than 100 years ago they had their own kings.
It’s the same with Scotland. They might have been independent in the past, but now they are part of a bigger country. And don’t think your case is unique. Most countries have some cultural, linguistic or ethnic minority with varying claims for sovereignty.

January 30, 2010 at 1:25 am
(107) Willis Parns says:

Thank you to the last two posts. By the way if/when this happens I will be the first to let you people know that Scotland is in fact a country again.

February 1, 2010 at 8:25 am
(108) @Kenny says:

Actually Denmark has the oldest flag.
And putting ‘country’ in your name does not automatically make you one. Country music and country beef stew are not member of the UN as far as I know, and neither is the country of Scotland.

February 2, 2010 at 2:37 pm
(109) Robert says:

I think a lot of people are getting confused by Countrie and Country and your article dosnt help you say [Scotland is not on my list of the 193 countries ] but then you say [Scotland is not a country]

What exactly are you talking about if its Countrys then Scotland is not ,However if your saying Scotland is not a countrie then you are clearly wrong .

Scotland,England,Wales and N Ireland are Countries and should be added to your list if its a list of countrys then the UK should be added.

Scotland,England,Wales and N Ireland = Countries
UK United Kingdom = Country

February 2, 2010 at 11:25 pm
(110) Willis Parns says:

Uh actually you just don’t know anything about grammar. Countries is the plural for of Country. So by the way Northern Ireland, Wales, England, and Scotland are all regions (REGIONS) that make up a country.

February 2, 2010 at 11:26 pm
(111) Willis Parns says:

form**

February 3, 2010 at 10:02 am
(112) Robert says:

Starting a sentence with Uh ,I think you better check your grammar.
I suggest you look no further than the UK goverment statistics website or similiar site(s) to see that Scotland England Wales and N Ireland are described as countries within a country .

February 3, 2010 at 10:24 am
(113) Robert says:

If we are describing REGIONS in the UK then that would be.
West Midlands is a region in England for example
Ayrshire and Arran is a region in Scotland and so on.
UK countries are not described as regions thats false. Something you silly Yanks cant comprehend or get into your thick skulls.

February 3, 2010 at 11:44 pm
(114) Willis Parns says:

No you’re just an idiot who can’t get past the fact that those 4 previous countries no longer function as countries. They function the same as states or provinces would function. The only reason the label of country still lingers with them is because they all used to be countries the key phrase you should focus in on is “used to be.” This is where you’re making your stupid error in classifying them as countries. You cannot have countries within a country, at least not how I have repeatedly identified countries in my previous statements. You are oblivious and no one can really help you. It’s fine though because regardless of what you think, you’re wrong and at the end of the day that’s all that matters.

February 4, 2010 at 12:55 am
(115) Willis Parns says:

Also to clear up any confusion, the difference between Countrie and Country are understood quite clearly. Countrie needs to have an ‘s’ on the end of it to be the plural form of country otherwise it is not a word. Country on the other hand is the singular form, the plural form is of course ‘countries’. So in fact there is really nothing to understand here. What you must have meant to say is that it is important to know the difference between country and country. Basically what you are saying is there is a need to understand the difference between country and region which I completely agree with! If you are not trying to convey this message it means you don’t have a clue what a country is (not countrie but country).

February 12, 2010 at 9:18 pm
(116) Adriane Millas says:

I alwas saw Scoltland as a beautiful country. I have plans to visit it after saving some money. Anyway I think travelling throw the world is something so special that theres´s no experience like that… Brazil is a tropical country and I´m little tired of lookking at the same landscapes.

February 16, 2010 at 1:50 am
(117) Crystalarts says:

As far as I can tell, there is confusion in here about the argument.

The debate is whether or not Scotland is a country. Some are confusing the debate with : “Scotland is an independent country”.

EVERYONE in Scotland and around the world AGREES that Scotland is not an Independent country. However nobody on here is claiming it to be independent. They are explaining that it doesn’t need to be independent to be a country. The United Kingdom official websites, prime ministers and other officials all agree that Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland are all countries. (Again.. please note I am not saying INDEPENDENT…)

Although not independent, Scotland still manage to release a certain Libyan recently to go home to die in Libya, which despite heavy protest, the UK government were unable to stop. Regions or divisions as some have defined Scotland, do not possess that much authority.

February 17, 2010 at 12:06 am
(118) Willis Parns says:

It just all comes down to semantics, although Scotland should in all reality not be referred to as a country in any way shape or form, it is. The reason for this is because of it’s past, when a region used to be a country people can’t quite get past it and continue to refer to it as a country (even though it’s entirely incorrect and it cannot be argued for this is a fact). However, if you want to have your nostalgic moment and live in the past be my guest (even though you are completely wrong).

February 17, 2010 at 12:28 am
(119) marcus says:

Dear John boy, I wrote that Hadrians Wall was the border because some Scots see this as our seperation from England. I know our proper border with England. Whats been cool about loving the country you were born and raised! I am a proud Highlander thats far from Scottish shores. If you knew what my country ment to me you wouldnt take the piss. What I read on this article is offensive. Scotland Forever

February 17, 2010 at 11:42 pm
(120) Willis Parns says:

“Scotland forever.” Yes Scotland does exist just not in the same sense as it used to be, get over it or don’t get over it either way doesn’t change the facts.

February 22, 2010 at 9:49 pm
(121) marcus says:

Willis Parns you must smoke a hell of amount of bush. Your postings about why Scotland isnt a country are so confusing. Question,have you ever been to Scotland or do you ever intend to travel to Scotland.

February 23, 2010 at 12:40 am
(122) WillisParns says:

I’ve been to the United Kingdom, more specifically I was in region of England (which used to be a country and is sometimes still referred to as a country even though it’s incorrect) while I was in the United Kingdom. Please let me know what is confusing about the fact that a place that used to be a country is no longer a country. I’ll clear it up for you. When a country joins a group of countries to become one country they become that one country and they cease to exist as single entities. The region may still be called Scotland but the fact is it is no longer a country, even though Scotland still exists it no longer can have the status as a country. Just look at the facts, the United Kingdom is officially recognized as its own country and Scotland is not. As I’ve said this cannot be disputed for it is indeed a fact.

February 25, 2010 at 7:41 am
(123) IOwnWillisParns says:

My dictionary says:
1 : an indefinite usually extended expanse of land : region
2 a : the land of a person’s birth, residence, or citizenship b : a political state or nation or its territory

Scotland is definitely a nation and a political state with definite boundaries. Note that this dictionary does not say a country is a sovereign state, and nothing else.

What Willis Parns fails to understand is that the word “country” has more than one definition. The United States is a federal state made of “states.” The UK is a unitary state formed from the union of countries. No longer sovereign, but still countries. The UK itself has no problem with understanding it, but apparently you do.

Owning Willis Parns since 2010.

February 26, 2010 at 1:03 am
(124) Willis Parns says:

What you fail to understand is that a real independent country doesn’t have more than ONE definition. So many people are morons like you, and if you want go look it up on a list of officially recognized countries. Scotland is NOT on the list (neither are the other three regions meaning Northern Ireland, England, and Wales). I’ve never said Scotland wasn’t a region of land haha. By the way they aren’t a nation, but I can agree that they are a political state to an extent. They cannot go against parliament laws much like say a state like Minnesota could not go against laws made by the federal government. Your argument is retarded and has no bearing because you are arguing against something that I never said. You simply cannot prove that Scotland is an Independent country because in fact THEY AREN’T! Have fun with semantics and a circular maze of logic but my argument is based on facts and whereas you can play the semantics game when arguing countries you can’t when arguing about official countries recognized as independent entities. So if i may finish with…………

Willis Parns Inc. Owning idiots since 1889.
thx hf gg no re.

February 26, 2010 at 1:05 am
(125) Willis Parns says:

PS: you get moron of the month award!

February 26, 2010 at 1:58 am
(126) IOwnWillisParns says:

Where did I say Scotland is an independent country? Obviously it isn’t as part of the unitary state called the UK, which is made of four countries.

What I said is, “Scotland is a country.” The word “country” has more than one definition. The concept is similar to the US, as you mentioned, however the term “state” is defined in the Constitution. There are state laws in which the federal government may not interfere, and the same is true for the countries of the UK. Separate legal systems. for example.

The United States defines its constituents as “states.” There is no confusion with terminology there, and the Unites States itself is also a “state.” How can that be?

The word “state” means a political division with sovereignty. It also means a political division without sovereignty.

The United Kingdom defines its constituent parts as “countries.” The word “country” means a political division with sovereignty. It also means a political division without sovereignty.

To summarize: Scotland is a country, but not an independent country.

Got it now? Good.

Owning Willis Parns since 2010
KMG365 spqr

February 26, 2010 at 11:50 am
(127) WillisParns says:

Stop addressing me because you are arguing about something completely different so have no reason to acknowledge you and there is nothing for me to understand. Try and keep up and argue about what is relevant. keke thx

Willis Parns Inc. owning retards such as you since 1889.

February 26, 2010 at 11:53 am
(128) WillisParns says:

I’ve gotten that all along and I am indifferent to your argument because has absolutely no bearing here because Matt Rosenburg was referencing the list of official countries when he made this argument and in that sense he is absolutely correct, Scotland does not fall into that list. That’s a fact and that’s all that I’m trying to back up. He is 100% correct.

February 26, 2010 at 12:00 pm
(129) WillisParns says:

Also even though the term “country” in general has a couple of definitions, the only reason the United Kingdom decided to continue to define them as “countries” is simply out of respect for the fact that they used to be “real countries.” For in this case, the way in which these places are termed countries is completely synonymous with states or provinces there is nothing extra special about these regions and in this instance country is interchangeable with any of the other options I’ve discussed.

February 27, 2010 at 2:26 am
(130) I Own Willis Parns says:

And nowhere do I say that Scotland belongs on the list of independent states. However, he makes the statement that Scotland is not a country, which is absolutely, irrefutably incorrect.

Had Mr. Rosenberg used the proper political terminology from the beginning, he would not have created this controversy.

His list, at the time of his post, simply said “countries.” It has since been changed to “independent countries,” presumably to correct his glaring error of language.

What “official” list of countries are you referring to? Who is the authority behind the list? Certainly Mr. Rosenberg doesn’t have that power.

His list of independent countries includes a link to the US State Department list of recognized states, which includes 194. Mr. Rosenberg’s list is hardly “official,” because he takes it upon himself to grant recognition to Taiwan.

He declared Taiwan to be a “country,” despite its lack of sovereignty. In his article, now titled “Scotland Is Not an Independent Country,” he says, “A country need only fail on one of the eight criteria to not meet the definition of independent country status.”

He has not bothered to explain this inconsistency, nor has he cited any source for his “eight criteria.”

This sloppy use of language is what created this discussion. The United Kingdom refers to its constituents as countries because that is what they are, and they did not cease to be so once united.

The Republic of Texas joined the Union and became the State of Texas because that is how the constituents of the US are defined by the US Constitution.

The countries of the UK remained countries because that is how they are defined by the UK. That’s the difference between a Federal State and a Unitary State.

To sum up, again, Mr. Rosenberg’s statement that Scotland is not a country is amazingly wrong. Pointing out his (and your) error is not the same as saying Scotland should be added to a list of independent states.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what my point is, which is why you are unable to refute it. The statement that Scotland is not a country is 100% INCORRECT. That is the relevant argument, and since you have taken the liberty of calling your detractors “morons” and “retards” you are in no position to object being called by name.

March 5, 2010 at 12:06 am
(131) WillisParns says:

The main thing people are failing to realize is that even though Scotland, England, Northern Ireland, and Wales are referred to as the 4 constituent countries of the United Kingdom they serve no greater purpose than would a state or a province. Therefore, even though these plots of land be still commonly referred to as “countries” this term is used in the broadest sense of the word. Provinces, states, or regions would all be appropriate words for describing these so called “constituent countries.” What many of the people arguing fail to realize is that this discussion was made to simply state that England is not an “official” country. Now what do I mean by that? It’s fairly simple by “official” i mean independent, which means to pass this criteria it must be recognized by other “official” autonomous countries as it’s own autonomous nation, none of these four “constituent countries” are their own autonomous countries. Perhaps the discussion should have been labeled better such as “England is not an official/independent country” but regardless, that is what this argument is based on and as far as that argument is concerned there is NO debate whatsoever for this is a fact…Scotland, England, Northern Ireland, and Wales are not their own independent/official/autonomous nation, this is 100% fact.

As for your claim that I have a “fundamental misunderstanding of what your point is” I hope this clears it up, chief. Good job for pointing out that they are declared as countries, but missing the main point of this discussion. At the top of this page Mr. Rosenburg clearly states his list of 193 countries of the world (this number could be 195 depending on your stance on Kosovo or Taiwan but this is a different debate). It is this statement that infers that this debate is talking about “official” countries. If you are too stupid to realize this then I’m sorry there is nothing I can do for you.

GG HF NO RE Keke thx

March 5, 2010 at 12:10 am
(132) WillisParns says:

wherever England is seen needs to be replaced with Scotland, this was the same argument I posted to the discussion labeled “England is not a country” I used it because it applies the same way to this subject.

March 15, 2010 at 10:37 pm
(133) I Own Willis Parns says:

Absolutely nowhere does anyone say anything about the “purpose” of Scotland. The constituent countries of the UK are called as such because they are countries that constitute the United Kingdom.

Once again, real slow, just for you. Scotland is a country. It is not an independent country, as Mr. Rosenberg’s article has been corrected to state.

This debate has never been about Scotland’s sovereignty. It is about the meaning of the word “country.” Since Scotland is a country, Mr. Rosenberg’s post about is absolutely incorrect. He acknowledged this himself by CORRECTING the article in question to read “Scotland is not an Independent Country.”

I understand it. You don’t. Which one of us is stupid? Owned.

April 9, 2010 at 2:53 am
(134) QuizmasterChris says:

You “Scotland is a country!” people are worse than the creationists and Scientologists combined. Evidence? Don’t need it! You have Google and can quote other ignorant folks by searching “Scotland+country.” Beats having to think, huh?

“Independent country” is redundant. If it isn’t independent, it isn’t a country.

This is what I have to say after a year of combating you:

http://quizmasterchris.blogspot.com/2010/04/year-and-nearly-120-posts-later.html

April 9, 2010 at 3:16 pm
(135) QuizmasterChris says:

“I Own Willis Parns” -

Where do you get that UK calls its parts “constituent countries”, or anything else for that matter?

There isn’t a UK constitution that calls its parts anything. Show me the binding document of the UK government that announces that the UK shall be comprised of four countries. I can show you the documentation of what a US “state” is, because they actually exist.

Incidentally, am I the only person who finds it hilariously ironic that the Scottish Parliament’s website has a .uk Country-level domain extension, because Scotland DOESN’T HAVE a Country-level domain extension, and hasn’t bothered registering for one… not even for the devolved parliament.

Let’s not forget that London (Westminster in other words) retracted the Northern Ireland parliament and halted that process, and could do so (although I seriously doubt this would happen) in Scotland. Because neither are countries.

And why does Scotland have an independence movement? Because it isn’t a country. Countries don’t have an independence movement because there’s nothing to be independent from.

This is comparative politics method, which my degree, which random anonymous cowards have been mocking, is in.

April 12, 2010 at 10:04 am
(136) Kenny says:

Matt,
Its very convenient for people who are not from Scotland to use supposed conventional wisdom with the 8 tests to ‘prove’ that Scotland is not a country. Whilst Germany occupied France, Poland etc did those countries cease to be countries the moment they lost certain much of their autonomy and did they then become countries again at the end of WW2?

Interesting also that you list Ireland as a country which is surely impossible since nearly 2/3rds of the population and the roads, education, etc used by this population group are under UK control. Surely you should change this to ‘Southern Ireland’ or ‘Republic of Ireland’ because ‘Ireland’ clearly fails most of these tests also?

Some of your 8 tests are correct but some are misinformed. The UK goverment did not ‘give’ power over education and law to the Scottish parliment, they have never had control of this under he terms of the treaty of union and do not any lawful right to take control of it.

Perhaps the most obvious point that shows the fact that Scotland is a country is the very fact that you have had so many complaints about the omission. You can use whichever tests you like but Scotland will remain a country in the minds of the only people that matter on the subject – the people of Scotland!

April 13, 2010 at 8:02 am
(137) I Own Quizmaster Chris says:

“Quizmaster” Chris,

Huh? I see a pile of evidence YOU are ignoring. Dictionaries, encyclopedias, official websites, etc. You’re the one acting like a creationist.

Funny, I don’t see “domain name codes” on Matt’s list of independent state criteria.

You want me to “show you” a document that doesn’t exist? Interesting argument.

How about YOU show ME the official documents that removed Scotland’s “country” status.

Matt’s article says Scotland is not independent. Well, it isn’t. Doesn’t mean it isn’t a country. A country doesn’t have to be independent to be a country. It does have to be independent to be an independent country.

Jeez Louise, what sKool did you go to?

April 13, 2010 at 8:11 am
(138) I Own Quizmaster Chris says:

“Where do you get that UK calls its parts “constituent countries”, or anything else for that matter?”

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?ID=6

Obviously you ignored the 10 Downing St. website with the whole “countries within a country” thing, so I’m sure you’ll ignore this, won’t you, Creationist Chris?

April 13, 2010 at 8:45 pm
(139) Kenzie says:

The people from the uk that are commenting on this please ignore this nonsense from Matt and others dont give them the satisfaction of there ill informed drivel.

Rosenberg holds a master’s degree in geography from California State University, Northridge and a bachelor’s degree in geography from the University of California, Davis.

Try a University degree in the UK come back in a few years time and repost to say the least very worrying as to what they are teaching these people over there.
{ie education ring a bell}

April 18, 2010 at 11:34 pm
(140) Willis Parns says:

Let’s get it clear, that everyone knows the definition is the four constituent countries of the United Kingdom, everyone knows that. Stop getting hung up on that because that definition is pointless. None of those 4 constituent sections are free to make all of their decisions independently, hence the reason they are not recognized by any other country in the world as their own country. Like I said in the England discussion, A lot of you are getting hung up on semantics. Please stop approaching me with synonyms because it’s tiresome and irrelevant. That issue that is at hand in these arguments is intended to discuss whether or not Scotland or the other 3 regions (Northern Ireland, England, and Wales) are in fact independent countries, which they are not in any way shape or form anything close. They all immediately fail on one of the main criteria, being able to make all of your own laws. No law can be put into action that violates Parliament, this is just one example of how these regions are like states and in fact fail the test.

April 18, 2010 at 11:48 pm
(141) Willis Parns says:

This is for Kenny who lacks the mental capacity and I guess anyone else who does too. The real test is that no other country recognizes them as their own country (for very good reasons). The only way to be your own country is to be officially recognized and Scotland is not. You can find this easily by doing some research it’s 100% fact and is not up for debate. As for the person named “I Own Quizmaster Chris,” you don’t own anyone but secondly, your document that “doesn’t exist” is the Treaty of Union in 1707. Stop spewing garbage that is 100% wrong.

April 18, 2010 at 11:52 pm
(142) Willis Parns says:

It’s called giving up your total independence to combine into a larger country, at this point independent status goes out the window. As far as the comment about how the only people that matter in this argument are the Scottish people goes, that is just totally pathetic. The Scottish are the people that don’t count at all in this discussion because they are bias and want to believe something that simply isn’t true. Just because you want or think something should be a certain way, in the end it doesn’t matter what you think.

April 21, 2010 at 12:51 am
(143) marcus ross says:

will parns ,i see all what you have tried to do in this debate is down the scottish people.you are nothing to her people.the people of scotland decide whether she is a country or not.scotlands heart is bigger than you will ever know ,Abu ga Braith

April 22, 2010 at 1:14 am
(144) Willis Parns says:

No I am trying to be the only sane voice that is left. The voice of Scotland is bigger than any other “almost” country? lol…. it helps the fact that 95% of the people that comment on this site are Scottish..oh wait no that doesn’t help that just makes the blog more bias than it really should be. Lol if you want to know the real facts get your head out of your ass and realize it hasn’t been recognized as a real country for hundreds of years and read the Treaty of Union (1707) and stop arguing against something that cannot be disputed.

GG HF NO RE.

April 22, 2010 at 2:29 am
(145) u no who i am says:

i am not very pleased at all about the info that i seen on your website about saying scotland isnt a country i was born there i am a pure scotsman even after i moved to the north pole plse chnge it thnks

April 23, 2010 at 9:17 am
(146) I Own Willis Parns says:

You again?
Even slower this time:
The word ‘country’ means independent state AND non-independent state.

All you’re proving is a point no one is arguing. Scotland is a non-independent country. See that? Country. Get a dictionary. Owned.

April 24, 2010 at 2:19 am
(147) Willis Parns says:

What you aren’t getting is that the original argument is meant to state that Scotland is not an independent country, so in fact you are not understanding the real argument. I have a dictionary there are about 15 or so definitions. These include nouns and adjectives. However what is appropriate for this argument is the definition of an independent country which, originally was not stated has been clarified to be the real argument. So you are in fact still 100% wrong like you were from day one and still remain a total dolt. It reminds me of something similar I’ve said before, you’re a moron that knows nothing of how the world actually works, armed with nothing more than a dictionary and a reliance upon ambiguity. As far as your argument with me is concerned you fail entirely. Why? Simply because you cannot argue against what I am arguing about. What is this that I am in fact arguing about? Let’s make it real clear in case the last one billion comments weren’t enough. The fact that Scotland is NOT an independent country. You seem to still be focusing on the way which Matt Rosenburg worded it 6 years ago. However, the argument over how specific his language should be is not at hand as far as I’m concerned. An independent country also means ( a country that is recognized by the rest of the world, in other words by other legitimate countries ). Scotland is not and please review the Treaty of Union of 1707. This is just the beginning of the end of Scotland. Eventually their legal system would become entirely dependent on Parliament (which they currently cannot contradict). To wrap this ridiculous argument up, you can yell at Matt Rosenburg all you want and if he responds (which he probably won’t because you aren’t important) he will simply just change the title to avoid ambiguity. In case you don’t know what ambiguity means just go look it up in your dictionary. However, quit talking to me because my argument is as I have stated an exhausting amount of times, Scotland is not a part of the real 195 countries of the world that exist currently. If you added in all of the regions that claim to be countries (via an extremely relaxed definition) you would have well over 200. However, given the the applicable definition of a real country as defined by the world many of these Scotland included do NOT fit the bill and are not currently considered actual countries OF THE WORLD.

April 24, 2010 at 2:25 am
(148) Willis Parns says:

Those spend all their time arguing irrelevant semantics end up coming out knowing nothing. I know there’s plenty of ways to word almost anything, the problem is the only real important part is the application of it. If you do not have this common sense you are no good to anyone.

gg hf no re

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April 24, 2010 at 8:38 am
(149) I Own WIllis Parns says:

Again, Scotland is a country. Scotland is not an independent country. A country doesn’t have to be independent to be a country. It does have to be independent to be an independent country. Got it now? The language he used is the whole point.

He already changed the article this blog post links to. He refuses to change this post, and even posted another which links to the blog of an anti-UK bigot.

Real credible.

Matt has yet to reply, as a professional geographer, why the UK is wrong about itself when the Prime Minister’s website calls it “countries within a country.”

Go back to WoW. Better yet, learn to read.

April 24, 2010 at 1:04 pm
(150) Michael Follon says:

Willis Parns #76 writes:

‘To D”OHN that wouldn’t necessarily be called a referendum it would be a secession…’

It is incorrect to use the word ‘secession’ with regard to Scottish independence. The ‘Concise Oxford Dictionary’ defines ‘secession’ as – ‘the act of seceding from a federation or organization’.

The United Kingdom is neither a federation nor is it an organization. For a secession to occur the parent state, which with regard to the current constitutional status of Scotland is Great Britain, would have to continue, albeit in a modified form – that would not be the case. The REALM of Great Britain was created by the joining of the REALMS of Scotland and England through the Treaty of Union in 1707. When Scotland regains its independence that treaty will effectively be DISSOLVED and Great Britain will CEASE to exist.

‘In contrast, Lane says, Scotland cannot break away like Ireland as it was ‘one of the basic building blocks of “the United Kingdom of Great Britain”‘ (Lane 1991: 146). Without Scotland there is no ‘Great Britain’ and without Great Britain there is no ‘United Kingdom’.’

SOURCE: ‘SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE: A Practical Guide’ by Jo Eric Murkens with Peter Jones and Michael Keating, p. 109, ISBN 0-7486-1699-3.

The COD also defines ‘secede’ as -

‘withdraw formally from membership of a federal union or a political or religious organization’

Scotland is not part of a FEDERAL union.

‘If the Scottish people expressed a desire for independence the stage would be set for a direct clash between what is the English doctrine of sovereignty and the Scottish doctrine of the sovereignty of the people.’

SOURCE: ‘The Operation of Multi-Layer Democracy’, Scottish Affairs Committee Second Report of Session 1997-1998, HC 460-I, 2 December 1998, paragraph 27.

‘In the last resort, all arguments against the referendum are also arguments against democracy, while acceptance of the referendum is but the logical consequence of accepting the democratic form of government.’

- Professor Vernon Bognanor, English constitutionalist.

April 24, 2010 at 1:11 pm
(151) Michael Follon says:

Oops, a spelling mistake. That name should be Professor Vernon Bogdanor.

April 24, 2010 at 10:25 pm
(152) Willis Parns says:

That’s fine I’ve already made it clear that it is not an independent country or in other words part of the real 195 countries. This article was meant to argue that Scotland is not an independent country and Rosenburg worded it wrong, get it through your thick skull and stop consistently telling me about your dictionary, it has no bearing for what I am arguing. Get a clue.

April 24, 2010 at 10:28 pm
(153) Willis Parns says:

The United Kingdom is it’s own country and officially recognized, the four constituent parts are not. End of story, this isn’t debatable, 100% fact. bye.

April 24, 2010 at 10:41 pm
(154) Willis Parns says:

Oh and one more thing I should also point out is although Matt Rosenburg’s title to this discussion is not necessarily clear. In the description he notes about a list of 193 countries of the world…This indirectly implies he is discussing the independent countries of the world. If he were leaving it open for all regions of land that can be called countries the list would be well over 200. So based on this, all of your comments are entirely void and meaningless.

April 24, 2010 at 11:06 pm
(155) Willis Parns says:

Also, even though I shouldn’t bother because he’s a joke. Forgive me if I don’t necessarily care to listen to a person who believes in the continuance of a monarch and just casually ignore Bogdanor and his existence.

April 25, 2010 at 5:54 pm
(156) Jock says:

Matt Rosenberg get a life

April 28, 2010 at 8:28 am
(157) I Own Willis Parns says:

Willis Parns the Owned keeps saying over and over that the constituent countries of the UK are not independent.

EVERYONE HERE KNOWS THIS. However, they are countries. There could well be over 200 “countries”

You keep pointing at Matt’s list of 193 “countries”, but if you bothered to click on it, it shows 195 “INDEPENDENT countries” TWO of which are not independent.

He says a “country,” meaning “state,” need only fail on ONE of his imaginary criteria to “not be a country.” Independence is probably the biggest one, eh?

So, not only does Matt not know what “country” means, he doesn’t know what “independent” means.

Perhaps he should use the terminology of the rest of the educated world, and list independent STATES. You know, like the UK which is a STATE comprised of COUNTRIES.

May 4, 2010 at 1:52 am
(158) Willis Parns says:

You keep yelling at me that everyone knows they are not independent countries which I find funny because you are helping me. Like previously stated I know, I know, I know, I know…you refuse to acknowledge the real argument because you’re wrong. As I’ve said the mere mention of 193 countries indicates he is only talking about independent countries. Yes and I’m sure two that you are arguing about are Kosovo and Taiwan, which are both recognized by at least some independent countries, giving them infinite validity over the 4 constituent states. However if this discussion was to involve only countries in the broadest sense of the word there would be well over 200 on the list, however, there are not. Therefore as I stated before your argument is not valid and has no place here.

May 4, 2010 at 9:47 pm
(159) I Own Willis Parns says:

You fail to address Matt’s error in his own made-up criteria, just as you fail to understand my point, even though you are arguing two exact opposites simultaneously.

“A country need only fail on one of the eight criteria to not meet the definition of independent country status.”

Probably because your argument crumbles if you do. Taiwan fails on three criteria. So, why is it a country? It is not independent, therefore it fails to be an independent country.

Your “list” argument is equally idiotic.

There are multiple senses of the word country. My entire point, all this time.

The “lists” would be affected this way:

A list of independent countries would have 193.
A list of countries would have over 200.
A list of non-independent countries would include, Scotland, England, etc. And Taiwan.

Got it now?

May 1, 2011 at 1:26 am
(160) Willis Parns says:

yeah you’re an idiot and you are still wrong.. or you can just keep beating a dead horse and trying to argue against something you know is right. You know I argued about the fact that Scotland is not an independent country, which is 100% true so shut the fuck up.

June 6, 2010 at 2:48 am
(161) Patrick says:

When England says jump, Scotland says :how high.

June 17, 2010 at 9:16 am
(162) jayahr says:

hmmm… the US immigration service doesn’t recognise the UK as a country, only England… so if you’re a scot and enter the US, you have no choice but to be english. Nice.

And on the point of whether a country is a country or nea, I would advise a more classically Machiavellian definition. As in the sovreign is maintained by force of arms or treaty (which would be backed by arms). A case in point would Kosovo. If Russia were not to recognise them, and the US did, would they be a country? Well it would depend who you were speaking with.

When did the USA 1st become a country? Or any other for that point? At that point when they were recognised as such by a non-US body which could economically or socially have a material effect on the maintenance of them as an independent state.

Whether a website says yea or nea is not relevant per se, only if there are no significant external bodies who have an interest in maintaining (or recognising) the country would it cease to be a country.

And philologically, any idea (or yes, meme for those types) is only maintained by the force or will of people to maintain it.

Globally a truck load of people believe Scotland is a country.

For millenia, people beleived Israel were a country.

But as I think was mentioned earlier in this blog, as states or sovreigns, the existence is more clealry defined.. if you’re asked whether scotland is a country in a pub quiz, cry “fie, shame on you quiz master, ask a question with a clear meaning!”.

July 1, 2010 at 2:17 am
(163) scotland is a country says:

scotland is a country so just get it through ur little brains im not meaning to sound mean but seriously please change it scotland is a country.

July 4, 2010 at 9:08 pm
(164) Glenn says:

Okay people I think this is quite simple. No matter how much you WANT Scotland, albeit, England, Wales and Northern Ireland to be countries, they are 100% NOT countries.

Firstly, each “country” must be sovereign, which none of them are. And here is an important point. Who is the leader, or in this case the Prime Minister of this “Scotland”? Oh, would that be maybe “David Cameron” right now? And where does this Prime Minister live…oh, that would be 10 Downing St. in London, England!

Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland are no different than States or Provinces. The scottish flag (St. Andrew’s Cross) is NOT recognized as the flag for the UK, that would be the Union Jack, which is comprised mainly of all the “Provinces” that make up the UK, like Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland!

Your monetary system use the “British Pound”, you don’t have a “say” on global matters as a country, only the UK does and let’s face facts here folks, I really don’t care if you were born there, this does not make Scotland a country!

July 5, 2010 at 9:56 pm
(165) Antihubris says:

Okay Glenn,

Since you obviously haven’t read the thread: Scotland, England, etc are countries. They are just not independent countries. Now run along and look it up.

July 27, 2010 at 12:07 pm
(166) The End says:

scotland is a country, but not a sovereign state.. there you go, shut the f*** up now you stupid yanks.

August 10, 2010 at 8:30 pm
(167) Anonymous says:

You’re not very bright, are you?

August 30, 2010 at 11:08 am
(168) IsItOver77 says:

Is it over?

September 23, 2010 at 3:00 pm
(169) Scotlandforever says:

Its funny how someone that isn’t Scottish is telling Scottish people that Scotland is not a country. This guy is a joke. Of course Scotland is a country you wanker.

October 23, 2010 at 8:23 am
(170) Mick says:

Of course Scotland is a country! That’s like saying Australia/West Indies ect. weren’t countries when under the rule of the British crown! Its the UNITED kingdom as in the four COUNTRIES UNITED. I’m very offended!

October 26, 2010 at 12:17 am
(171) MicoLee says:

I lived in Scotland for 20 years, and to me it was in everyway a country. When I moved to England, people there did not take the Scottish pound and had no idea it was legal tender. If you studied Law at university, it did not apply in England (back in the 1980′s, I dont know about today). Scotland has its own flag, just as the other “countries” like England, Wales. Scotland’s healthcare, housing etc are all different, even though it was under the NHS. So if nothing else, from a practical perspective it was a very different country. Anyhow, I had a gud laff reading al thes comments. BTW Scotlandforever, other countries may not know what a wanker is lol :) .

November 4, 2010 at 3:44 pm
(172) james says:

u are wrong and get a shave u @$*t

January 10, 2011 at 9:57 am
(173) Duncan says:

My understanding has always been that a country is only a country if other countries recognise it as such, which is usually coupled with the UN recognising it (the Vatican is an exception).

The UK is a country recognised by all other countries in the world. England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales are not recognised as countries by any country in the world, and therefore are not countries. None of them has a government that is independent of the UK government, none of them has their own currency (Scottish bank notes are NOT a separate currency).

This is not a question of national pride, it is a question of international recognition and definition. The 4 kingdoms that make up the UK are colloquially known as “countries”, but as far as the rest of the world is concerned, the country is the UK, and Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and England are the kingdoms that make it up.

January 10, 2011 at 12:58 pm
(174) Alexis says:

This argument is ridiculous. Scotland is absolutely not a coutry. When people use the word country, it’s simply a matter of semantics…. We Americans use the word “state” while the UK chose “countries”. How on earth can a country be part of another country? It can’t. How can a an independent country be governed by another country? It can’t.

I’m not going to argue that Florida is a country because it had government, economy, transportation, etc. It is governed by the US govt and rightfully a state within a country which is exactly what Scotland is. Stop being too prideful to admit you’re not a ‘real’ country. If the UK were smart they’d chance the usage in describing you guys. And the fact that they can even do that once again reminds us…. Scotland is NOT an independent country. Separate yourself from the UK and we’ll talk…..

September 4, 2011 at 8:42 pm
(175) Cameron-T says:

You Americans? Which Americans do you mean? The Americans in Nova Scotia or the ones in Mexico City? Because they are all Americans perhaps you meant United States Citizen? Because there is no country named America, there are two geographical lumps of Land named the Americas though. Also as a country is a state, how can states be in a state???
Also I’m shocked to hear Florida has no transportation, do they walk everywhere or what?

January 12, 2011 at 1:54 pm
(176) Dave says:

The confusion here seems to be in the degree of autonomy that Scotland and other members of the UK possess and how that relates to the definition of country. Scotland retains its own legal and education systems, it has its own devolved government with partial control over taxation, as well as its own flag, languages and sporting teams. However there are states throughout the world that have many of the above, such as Catalonia which even have their own football team. The difference between these states and Scotland is the capacity to represent themselves on the world stage. It was falsely claimed above that Scotland can’t represent herself internationally; our MEPs beg to differ. Scotland can and does represent itself as a country mainly within the EU especially in reference to its economy, environmental policies and fishing rights. These are policies which the rest of the UK voice their opinions through London. Another example of this would be current trade talks between China and Scotland over the supply of green technology, a deal of which the Scottish economy would be the only benefactor.
Organisations such as the UN view Scotland as a country in relation to its green policies and praise Scotland, not the UK, as an example of how green policies should be carried out. However seeing as most of the people arguing that Scotland is not a country are American it’s not surprising you don’t know anything about our green credentials.
By strict definition, Scotland is not a sovereign independent country however its international actions exclude it from being a state. It’s a bit of a grey area, like the British Crown Dependencies. I believe we are a country and I’d gladly invite the people above to stand in Glasgow city centre and call passers-by ‘morons’ for thinking otherwise. I guarantee you’d have a change of heart. Oh and btw, Willis Parns, arrogant, self-righteous bawbags like you are the reason why nobody, and I mean nobody, likes America.

January 19, 2011 at 11:33 pm
(177) Anithubris says:

“Semantics” is the meaning of words. “Country” can mean either sovereign state or non-sovereign state. The exact same way that “state” can mean a sovereign or non-sovereign political entity.

No one is arguing that Scotland is sovereign, but it is a country, as it fits the definition of the word.

January 31, 2011 at 2:24 pm
(178) Watta Tadger says:

Matt,

You are in short, off your trolley..

Watta

February 2, 2011 at 5:01 pm
(179) person says:

Scotland is NOT a country it only meets two of eight criteria that would diffine scotland as an independent country stop being so ignorant

February 9, 2011 at 7:57 pm
(180) Mark says:

To help Matt and others become better informed about the correct usage of the word “country” in the British context, as well as British and Commonwealth constitutional arrangements, this video explains the basics. Whilst a touch over-simplified, it is a lot of fun. Enjoy!
http://travel.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx?blogentryid=780758&showcomments=true

February 11, 2011 at 5:19 am
(181) Sooksqueezebangblaw says:

I think that the statement “Scotland Is Not a Country” by Matt Rosenberg has long since been replaced on another page with a new one which reads “Scotland Is Not an Independent Country”, expressing his acknowledgment that Scotland is indeed a country although not not currently an independent state.

February 11, 2011 at 8:56 am
(182) Pa Broon says:

Yes Sooksqueeze, that page does have what I would now agree is a valid title. However, there does not appear to be a facility to leave a comment on that page, while on this page you can. And the title at the head of this one is obviously still wrong- a bit annoying that.

February 11, 2011 at 9:18 am
(183) Sooksqueezebangblaw says:

Looking at the page titled “Scotland is Not an Independent Country” and also at one or two recent comments, I see the term “sovereign” being mentioned and wonder what if anything some people here, including Mark Rosenberg actually know about Scottish sovereignty. Please note that the Claim of Right is still valid. It was not affected by 1707.

March 2, 2011 at 9:00 am
(184) Sooksqueezebangblaw says:

I’m not sure if your comment was directed at me, Bob or at people here in general.

There was an article on the site titled “Scotland Is Not a Country”, but after being pointed out the error of his ways and inconsistencies, Matt Rosenberg appears to have corrected this and changed the title to “Scotland Is Not an Independent Country” expressing his acknowledgment that Scotland is a country although not independent. The article now gives Matt Rosenberg’s reasons for why Scotland is not an INDEPENDENT country. The top of this page, though, still has the previous title.

March 22, 2011 at 6:51 am
(185) Jess says:

Scotland IS a country. I live in Scotland. Every Scottish person commenting here says Scotland is a country. I think we know better than this idiot, we are local experts because WE live here!

March 26, 2011 at 9:08 pm
(186) MacDaniel says:

Are you insane? Is this a joke? Thats like telling a Belgium they are really apart of France. Yes, Scotland is in the UK but it is a seperate country from England you *#@~. What is this an experiment to see how many Scots you can tic-off?

March 31, 2011 at 2:13 pm
(187) Troyindiana says:

Does Scotland have its own military? Or can they or do they join the Great Britain military? I guess this question could be posed for Ireland. Or is it just Northern Ireland that can join the GB military?

September 4, 2011 at 8:35 pm
(188) Mr. Ward says:

At one point Australians and Canadians could join the British army, right now Manx, Channel Islanders and Gurkhas can join the British armed forces. The British Army also protects over-seas territories who’s citizens would not be classed as U.K residents and whom many use different currencies never mind different notes. So the British Army argument is void after all the British army used to march all over the world yet India and Kenya never stopped being countries at that time.

May 1, 2011 at 1:29 am
(189) Willis Parns says:

Yes people refer to Scotland as a country, and we all know it isn’t an independent country. Alright so that’s fine, so basically shut the fuck up, Scotland is not a real country of the world, but it is a country in the sense of being a region of land that still exists under the name Scotland, but is within the REAL independent country of the United Kingdom, end of story, not hard to figure out, end of argument.

September 4, 2011 at 7:40 pm
(190) Mr. Ward says:

Scotland is a constituting country of a sovereign state, many fools think a sovereign state and a country are one and the same, they’re not. The list proves how Scotland is not a sovereign state which is why most Scots are Angry. Scotland has a separate legal, education and now medical system. Scotland has two separate official languages Gaelic and Scots. Scotland has a different church, it’s own first minister and parliament. The act of union brought two kingdoms together, The Kingdom of Scotland and the Kingdom of England (Which was already overlord of the Principally of Wales and the Earldom (Kingdom) of Ireland. Both had already had the same monarch for over 100 years. In short here are the facts the U.K is two kingdoms, four constituting countries on two main islands. One Island is called Great Britain and has England, Scotland and Wales on it the other is Ireland which has the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland on it but only Northern Ireland is part of the U.K. Now that seems a lot of information for a lot of idiots throughout the world to absorb so they like to keep it simple and say Britain is a country and as British culture and English culture seem the same a lot of English like there country to appear a little bigger but saying a spider is an insect a million times doesn’t make it so.

June 9, 2011 at 6:40 am
(191) Anon says:

there are 193 UN member states, there are over 60 countries that aren’t part of the UN, nuff said

July 4, 2011 at 5:39 am
(192) Opps123 says:

Scotland IS a country! It’s a very funny question to ask if Scotland is a country? Like asking is Italy or France or Fiji a country! How can u not know which country is a country and which one is not?

July 22, 2011 at 5:13 am
(193) matt is a dumbass says:

Scotland is a country knucke head, don’t be such an ignorant twat

November 17, 2011 at 3:27 am
(194) ScotlandIsACountry says:

Click my name to see why.

January 13, 2012 at 6:26 am
(195) Yes it is says:

The words country, nation and state are all synonyms. They all apply to both Scotland, the UK, and all the countries of the UK. http://bit.ly/z0tGfU

January 23, 2012 at 9:59 am
(196) Faisal says:

Scotland is a country, but not in the sense we know of today. Country, in definition just means an area of land. For some reason we have come to call Spain, USA, Russia etc. all countries. They are not. They are sovereign states, or I guess you could call them independent countries(?). Scotland is NOT a sovereign state, it is NOT independent, it is part of the UK which IS a sovereign state (or country as we now use the term incorrectly). Stop with the nationalism and get over it but I heard in 2014 Scotland are going to try and pass through a bill which makes them independent of the UK, and thus a SOVEREIGN STATE.

February 2, 2012 at 5:32 pm
(197) Antony says:

In that case I would vote for Scotland to be come independent under the SNP JUST to make it a country lol, the bottom line is, people in the Scotland like my self have a different interpretation of country as to the likes of these complicated fat ass Americans do…. and other technically minded people whole like to make shit complicated. Bottom line is in Scotland, SCOTLAND is a country! no one can and or will change that ;)

NOW STFU YA BAW BAG AND SIP THIS HERE IRN BRU! one of many few drinks around the world that are ahead of coke! ;) we should be a country just for having that achievement LONG LIVE IRN BRU!

February 16, 2012 at 8:50 am
(198) Lucy says:

Scotland may not be independent but that doesn’t mean it isn’nt a country! I don’t hear anybody acusing England of being a non-country! What do you think it is then NARNIA!!!!!!??????

March 19, 2012 at 10:29 pm
(199) June says:

You my friend, are a fool. Maybe in the wrong job. Clown.

March 28, 2012 at 10:26 am
(200) andy says:

so it turns out Scotland is a country. the reason you never hear anyone from england complaining is because its not like anyone states it isnt a f****** country

April 11, 2012 at 11:56 am
(201) Callum says:

Scotland hasn’t been a country since 1707. For the same reason that Wales, England and northern Ireland are not counties. They are member states OF a country.
So stop being utter useless twats and leave it!

April 17, 2012 at 1:27 pm
(202) pissedoff says:

Punctuate your title correctly and I might think about taking you seriously.

May 22, 2012 at 1:37 pm
(203) Anom says:

This is absolute nonsense and a vindictive and misleading play on words. No Scot would disagree that Scotland is not an “independent” country, but it IS a country none the less. Perhaps the author should brush up on his history and learn a little more about the act of Union signed when the United Kingdom officially came to be!

June 1, 2012 at 9:46 am
(204) Simon Bell says:

You are wrong.

Scotland IS a country.

Get an education

June 9, 2012 at 7:09 am
(205) Grant says:

Scotland is not really a country in the sense that most people think of what constitutes such – and I say this as a Scot. I saw a comment early on this thread that mentioned someone having a sister with a Scottish passport. There is no such thing and try getting into another country with one which is obviously a fake.

July 4, 2012 at 11:46 pm
(206) Rach says:

Yes. Scotland is a country.

United Kingdom (UK) is a sovereign state NOT a country.

It is made up of four separate countries.

England
Scotland
Wales
Northern Ireland.

These are the four countries that make up the United Kingdom.

July 17, 2012 at 9:06 am
(207) ALLAN says:

Hıevery one if country can not defense itself and be part of to built such coutnry like england that means ITS NOT A COUNTRY .
AND NO LAND IN THIS WORLD U CAN MAKE İT CAUNTRY JUST KEEP REPEATING YOURLSELF SCOTOLAND IS A COUTNRY SCOTLAND IS A COUNTRY SCOTLAND IS A COUNTRY IT WONT TURN OUT TO BE A COUNTRY
EVERY SINGLE MAN OR WOMAN BOYS AND GIRLS BECOME TOGETHER AND LIKE AMERICAN SAY I CAN STRIKE U WHEN I AM STRONG WHEN I AM READY SO U HAVE TO BE PREPARED READY AND STRONG AS BEING SCOTISH IN THE BOTTOM OF MY HEARTH IM NEIGHTER SCOTISH OR BRITISH ONE DAY COME AND U BE READY TO TURN THE LAND TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND BRITISH ACT TURN OUT TO AN ACT WITH SUCH LIKE GERMANY AND FRANCE NOT GIVEN ORDER MAYBE TAKING ORDER WHEN IT COMES TO SCOTISH PERSON THAT ENGLISH RAISED THEM AS SOCTISH AND MAKE SCOTISJ FEEL LIK ETHEIR OWN MAN USE TO RULE THE BRITISH AS A KING BUT JUST FOOLISH TOUGHT OF SCOTISH AND GENIOUS POLITICICAL CLEVERY OF BRTIISH MADE

July 25, 2012 at 8:36 am
(208) gav says:

collins dictionary Scotland definition:

a country that is part of the United Kingdom, occupying the north of Great Britain: the English and Scottish thrones were united under one monarch in 1603 and the parliaments in 1707: a separate Scottish parliament was established in 1999. Scotland consists of the Highlands in the north, the central Lowlands, and hilly uplands in the south; has a deeply indented coastline, about 800 offshore islands (mostly in the west), and many lochs. Capital: Edinburgh. Pop: 5 057 400 (2003 est). Area: 78 768 sq km (30 412 sq miles) related adjectives Scots Caledonian Scottish

As you can clearly see Scotland is defined as a country forming part of UK. If you disagree please raise your argument with Collins. I’m sure they’d be extremely amused by comments from you ignoramuses.

August 2, 2012 at 8:52 am
(209) respect says:

What amazes is me is the lack of respect others have for the people of the country that they are discussing. If the people of the UK understand and use the term ‘country’ to describe where they are from in the UK and the UK government and other established bodies around the world are happy to do so, then why can’t ‘jo public’ do the same? Things are not always black and white and if we were more acceptable of the shades of grey around us, the world may be a happier place. It is not about being right all the time, it is about understanding what the people that this concerns the most think and wish to be known as, and from the above comments, that to me looks like Scotland is indeed a country!

August 7, 2012 at 10:44 am
(210) ma1kie says:

:O can’t believe my eye’s,
we are indeed a country, we have flag, national anthem, a capital city, even have were own language.
Big enough to tell America to get stuffed over the Lockerbie bomber
and to tell Russia to get their battle ships out of our water :P

September 9, 2012 at 7:42 pm
(211) Nick says:
September 12, 2012 at 1:53 pm
(212) Sileas Campbell says:

You say it fails on sovereignty because the UK parliament has control over territory. Does this also mean that England, Wales and Northern Ireland are not countries either then, since the UK parliament is made up of representatives from all four countries?

November 8, 2012 at 12:45 am
(213) FACT says:

Some one kill this guy, if Scotland isn’t a country then what is it? It is a country because I live in Scotland, you need to do more research on geography.

November 9, 2012 at 1:18 pm
(214) Lorna Kinnaird says:

Scotland is SO A COUNTRY!

The United Kingdom is made up of 4 countries – SCOTLAND, england, NORTHERN IRELAND AND WALES!!!

IT SHOULD BE ON YOUR COUNTRY LIST !

What right have YOU to not put SCOTLAND on the list!!!!!!

No damn right whatsoever!!!

December 18, 2012 at 7:57 am
(215) Conall says:

i just so happen to be from scotland and it just so happens to be a country. If a stereotypical scottish man/woman was to go to any random city or town in England he/she would be considered scottish by the people around them. If somebody was to say england wasn’t a country then what would be that big waste of space down south be refered to as, Scotland, Wales or just to piss you English PART OF IRELAND. So in conclusion Scotland is a country and i garuntee everybody native to Scotland would happily agree with me.

December 24, 2012 at 11:49 pm
(216) Mark says:

I’ve read all the comments and how upset people are getting about Scotland. The question of Scotland being a country is simple. Look everyone…. The simple truth is that Scotland is both a country and not. It’s a country in the historical sense, but Scotland is not a sovereign country like Mexico, Germany, United States, or France. Scotland is part of the sovereign country known as the United Kingdom. They share the same citizenship, government, currency, armed forces, and membership of the UN… etc. No matter what you really really want this to be personally, the fact is Scotland is part of a country, but no longer a individual sovereign country. period.

December 26, 2012 at 12:28 am
(217) Hunter Engstrum says:

Just go to youtube and search the following videos: The Difference between the United Kingdom, Great Britain and England Explained & How Scotland Joined Great Britain, both of which are by CGPGrey.

January 8, 2013 at 3:58 pm
(218) anonymous says:

Scotland is really a country it is just not an indapendant country, so therefore it along with England, Northern Ireland and Wales should all be on your list.

February 1, 2013 at 2:12 am
(219) IconicBrti says:

Americans -.-

February 4, 2013 at 10:03 am
(220) Devin says:

Andre, I suggest you read up on British history and the politics of the British Isles. First, the Isle of Man is, in fact, NOT legally a part of the United Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (nor are the Channel Islands of Guernsey and Jersey). It’s administered by the UK, which is also responsible for its defence, but it has never been incorporated into the union. In fact, they even issue their own passports, although the nationality listed on this is “British Citizen”.

Second, James I & VI was NOT responsible for the union. He was the first monarch to reign as king of both countries, being the 6th king James of Scotland and the first King James of England, which is why he is referred to as James I & VI, and his successors similarly reigned as separate monarchs of the two independent kingdoms until Queen Anne, under whom, in 1707, the two kingdoms and crowns were officially combined into a single kingdom (hence its original name, the Kingdom of Great Britain.)

March 2, 2013 at 9:24 pm
(221) Legman says:

Apparently the British don’t know what a country means. Of course Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland ARE NOT countries.

They are no more of a country than Texas or any other state in the United States. Scotland has no autonomy to independently go over the prime mister of Britain and is thus a part of the country of Great Britain (called England by most of the world), period.

I want to see Scotland trying to receive foreign officials at freewill, doing foreign agreements at freewill, financing its own military, entering the Olympics as Scotland, etc, so we can all see how much of a “country” they are, come on.

Ireland IS a country, not Wales, Northern Ireland, or Scotland.

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